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KingStromba
31-05-2005, 10:48
Was the car not running properly at fcs on track?

Seemed fast the first lap, then just looked like you were taking it easy. Sounded mint though, haha :D

Enid
31-05-2005, 12:11
Sounded like a coastal defence gun going down that straight, scred the shit out of me lol.

big hp
31-05-2005, 12:29
Hippychicks car didn't sound right either.

MatBrown
31-05-2005, 12:29
He was having problems with underbonnet heat, think it started taking the paint off the bulkhead.
More set-up to sprints and not track use.



Mat.

J o n
31-05-2005, 12:35
I spoke to Yoz near the end of the show about Hippy's, they have only really used it the once and are getting used to the car... still, would have liked to have seen it giving it the all on the straights :twisted:

Swervin_Mervin
31-05-2005, 12:36
Was hippy's the pink Cup racer?

Martin
31-05-2005, 12:36
Well hippy's car had a stnd looking valver all over it so it can't have been running right...it has 200 bhp apparantly?

big hp
31-05-2005, 12:39
Was hippy's the pink Cup racer?

Yes

J o n
31-05-2005, 12:43
that the white valver with all the stickers on it Mart?

KingStromba
31-05-2005, 12:46
200 BHP? Unlikley without forged pistons / throttle bodies?

Martin
31-05-2005, 12:46
yeah was following very close..

J o n
31-05-2005, 12:51
Rob, they do run at around that power i've been told, but this is on an 8k limit on std bottom end... so they also need rebuilding every race or so... it certainly didnt sound like it was really trying to be honest, but was still moving at a fair whack. I'd think i'd smoke it from what I saw... but I have a feeling it had a LOT more to give... think it needed a male pilot too... let me at it, i'll tell ya if it's a real 200bhp or not :twisted:

Martin
31-05-2005, 12:53
yeah was following very close..

big hp
31-05-2005, 12:53
PMSL @ male pilot.

Harsh......but true :P

J o n
31-05-2005, 12:54
it's funny cos it's true! ;)

lol

KingStromba
31-05-2005, 12:59
But its not in cup spec as it has a williams engine in it.

Cup racers ran 1.8 16v engines and boxes.

This has a 2 litre engine in it, so its not in cup racer spec.


Can you get 200 bhp out of a set of cams and headwork on a williams engine? I doubt it. More like 180-185 bhp. I think it would need alot more work to get to 200 BHP. But maybe im wrong.

y0z2a
31-05-2005, 13:06
she has only been able to get about 3 hours driving in it, so understandably she is getting used to it.

engine is a spider cup engine +/- 200BHP as far as I know. It is rapid, very rapid.

/y0z

Martin
31-05-2005, 13:10
Was it running right then Yoz? I expected it to rape most things out there with 200bhp..

FATBOY
31-05-2005, 13:11
we talking about the pink clio here???? if so to me(not got a fair amount of track car knowledge) it didnt sound right???? sounded as tho it was not firing properly??? apologies if i am wrong!

big hp
31-05-2005, 13:11
Whats the damage to your engine y0z? Scrap?

What caused it to fail?

summeh
31-05-2005, 13:19
piston exploded or something and dropped into the sump... there is a thread on CS but cant be arsed to go find it :D

y0z2a
31-05-2005, 13:33
Whats the damage to your engine y0z? Scrap?

What caused it to fail?

seems that the gudgen pin or the piston failed and smashed the piston to bits, then something punched a hole in the side of the block into a waterway and all the coolant went straight through - hence the steam / smoke.

i was expecting the box to give first (half expecting it to go on sunday, but was doing one of our engines into it, with more power & toys) so just brought things forward a few weeks.

hey ho..

I think hippys was running right, but she was getting used to the gearing and power bands still. It has to be driven between 5,000 and 8,000 and not much below that as far as I know. Just a matter of practice I think. She's a pretty good driver once she gets her lines right.

:-)

/y0z

big hp
31-05-2005, 14:55
New engine and more power. :twisted:

Still done well to last as many miles as it did, with so many miles being hard track ones.

KingStromba
31-05-2005, 16:24
she has only been able to get about 3 hours driving in it, so understandably she is getting used to it.

engine is a spider cup engine +/- 200BHP as far as I know. It is rapid, very rapid.

/y0z

Cup racers ran 1.8 16v engines, not spyder engines (racing spyder engines are in fact Williams engines). Road spyders had megane engines.

So it has a Williams engine (if its a racing spyder engine) and if so i doubt its got 200 BHP (bearing in mind Nick cant get 200 bhp from a williams engine with cams, remap, forged pistons and a fully ported head). He reakond that lot will give you about 190-195 bhp if you are lucky.

So i cant see it having 200 BHP. Sorry.

Andyvalver
31-05-2005, 16:35
Aint that guy on cliosport got his to 200bhp? The 200bhp project clio. Somethin like 215bhp i read :D (Throttle bodies)

J o n
31-05-2005, 16:39
didn't cup racers also run 2.0 engines tho... :?

those Spyder engine aint the same as the Williams or Megane one either, bottom end is for all intents and purposes (cosmetic differences) but the Megane head runs 10nm torque more than the Willy and the Spyder runs 10nm more than the Megane again. Remember Rob that these care are mapped to 8k tho and last a race or two tops.

2 live
31-05-2005, 16:45
theres a willy 1 no. 148 in stockport, has been runnin bodies for about 18 months now, 180 bhp@ the wheels, 220@ the fly.......r/r d on aldon automotives rollers........

then theres mehdis nearly finished valver with willy lump runnin 212@ fly 178@ wheels


only really had a little do with 1 of em.......and it dint seem like 180 at the wheels.as i cained him in std trim

J o n
31-05-2005, 16:50
to be fair Jon yours prolly ran 180+bhp in standard trim! lol

... could be the driver tho...

edde
31-05-2005, 20:12
The later Cup racer cars ran 2.0 I belive.
Hippys car has a long list of modifications I belive somehting like 193hp or so. Then again my car didn't seem much slower but it wasn't exactly fair. Hopefully it will be comming to some more track days where it will be pushed more.
I didn't think Hippys has been rebuilt yet so maybe she's keeping the revs down a bit hece isn't that quick.
Hopefully there going to be another 2.0 race car on the track in the furture that will give more clues to how quick the race cas were compaired to some tunned road cars.

KingStromba
31-05-2005, 20:45
didn't cup racers also run 2.0 engines tho... :?

those Spyder engine aint the same as the Williams or Megane one either, bottom end is for all intents and purposes (cosmetic differences) but the Megane head runs 10nm torque more than the Willy and the Spyder runs 10nm more than the Megane again. Remember Rob that these care are mapped to 8k tho and last a race or two tops.

The cup series was a 1.8 engine series as far as i know. Maybe offshoots of that ran 2.0, but i was under the impression that the rules stated 1.8.

All the cup cars ive seen had valver boxes and valver engines.

And according to Nick, a racing spyder engine = williams engine

Road spyder engine = megane engine

Both 150 BHP standard

BenR
31-05-2005, 20:49
1.8 cup cars were only run for a while.

KingStromba
31-05-2005, 20:56
I doudt true cup cars ran 200bhp, as even now they are limited to 180 bhp i beleive.

BenR
31-05-2005, 23:15
mk1 cup racers ran nowhere near that output, they ran a good std engine, nothing more......i wouldnt pick a cup racer engine over a std one, the real diff is negligable.

Hippies though isnt a cup racer engine.........iirc its a britcar series racer, or one of the club level endurance series. So it has got a level of tune that does not represent a cup racer.

200bhp is fine on the std inlet manifold, but you have to run silly rpm to get it...which means steel bottom end.....>£££££££.

KingStromba
31-05-2005, 23:22
I said that in the previous page. So just to recap:

Its not a cup racer as cup racers had 1.8 engines
It wont have 200 bhp
Racing spyder engines = williams engines
Road syder engines = megane engines
Cup racers ran valver boxes

Any other things we need to clear up?


No...


Good :D

BenR
31-05-2005, 23:24
i was agreeing with you that it wasnt a 1.8 and that it wasnt a cup racer engine! lol

all i was saying is that it could well have 200bhp or so.....i would expect it with the rpm it runs, or rather, capable of.

KingStromba
31-05-2005, 23:37
If hippys car has 200 bhp ill eat one of my white shirts. And verification has to come from a RR off the hubs, with proper cooling systems, or a dyno.

Not having a go at Hippy, i like her and think her car is great. But im fed up of hearing over hyped power claims.


Example - team think racing spyder engine on ebay - cams and head work, and they claim 210 BHP. WTF??? Cams and headwork on a WILLIAMS engine does not give 210BHP.

People think that if the words racing and spyder are in the same sentance as BHP, a magic figure of 200 + comes up.


Either im wrong (not very often), or ill be eating stromba shirt soup for the next 3 weeks.

BenR
31-05-2005, 23:54
no, very true, and i'm not saying it has 200 either, but it does (from the parts list) have the capability to be a 200bhp engine.

If your running 8000rpm you SHOULD be making 200bhp, if not i dont see any reason why the limiter is up that high.

RPM = ruins peoples motors

KingStromba
01-06-2005, 00:05
So what is the spec of the engine?

BenR
01-06-2005, 00:08
you'll have to ask her, but iirc from what i read when it was up for sale from team think (dont trust my memomy, i dont lol), is that it was running 8500 (that figure stands out from what i can remember in the advert), a plenham, fancy smancy head and cams, steel bottom end etc etc.

KingStromba
01-06-2005, 00:14
Team think are a bunch of cowboys, Cant give details as peoples businesses are at stake, and as it was nothing to do with me, i shall not comment.


I wouldny buy a horse off them.


This is running circa 215 to 220 bhp (estimated):

http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1850&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

Also i thought a steel bottom end was used for strength, when rev limits were needed to be raised for aditional power. I didnt think it added any extra power.

So if its only running 200 BHP, why does it have a steel bottom end?

BenR
01-06-2005, 00:18
but thats not exactly a nice install is it. All the manifolds for the williams heads to run ITB's are horrible due to the taper needed from round trumpet to oval port.....never a nice think unless you have loads of space.

nevermimd that 10,000rpm stuff!

do they sell horses, or only box's of 220 at a time?

KingStromba
01-06-2005, 00:29
They sell anything on ebay these days.

Im selling my car. Standard Williams, with 210 bhp :roll:

Fred
01-06-2005, 01:49
right i'll clear up the spec of michelle's pink racer

it has a megane bottom end
spyder head (heavily worked with "unknown" cams)
lightened flywheel
and the crank has been balanced also
Group N ECU with 8K rev limit

it was running fine, the power band is from 4.5K upwards

RR'd at 196bhp at fly on Power Engineering's RR in uxbridge


its quick!!

remember michelle has only drven the car twice before!!! so far she's only had about 3 hrs in the car, so its fair enough that she wasn't overtaking everything in sight!!!

QUESTION FOR ALL THE TRACK BOYS, What speed were you going through the first left hander at??? (the corner before the 747)

Mark_Ritchspeed
01-06-2005, 08:50
125. The car simply wouldnt pull any more. After slowing the first 2 to 3 laps for the corner, I then realised it was just flat out if nothing got in your way.

KingStromba
01-06-2005, 10:53
right i'll clear up the spec of michelle's pink racer

it has a megane bottom end
spyder head (heavily worked with "unknown" cams)
lightened flywheel
and the crank has been balanced also
Group N ECU with 8K rev limit

it was running fine, the power band is from 4.5K upwards

RR'd at 196bhp at fly on Power Engineering's RR in uxbridge


its quick!!



remember michelle has only drven the car twice before!!! so far she's only had about 3 hrs in the car, so its fair enough that she wasn't overtaking everything in sight!!!

QUESTION FOR ALL THE TRACK BOYS, What speed were you going through the first left hander at??? (the corner before the 747)



Spyder head = Williams head (if its a racing version)


How many more times. Racing spyders used Williams engines. Not some mythical, power producing demon engine. :roll:


Also thats the same spec as 2live and Jesus, and im pretty sure they are in the 180 to 185 bhp bracket. No way near 200 bhp. Where's stan when you need him? :roll:


And i thought Hippy was driving fine. I though the car sounded cool too. Just cant see it putting out 200 bhp on that spec.

BenR
01-06-2005, 11:34
oh well, shows how good my memory is

Fred
01-06-2005, 12:53
well considering michelle has only driven that car for a total of 3 hours and was doing 115mph through that corner, i'd say she did pretty good!!!

plus she IS female!!

Willy = spyder, i appologise and bow my head in shame rob, my knowledge is inferior

9lives and oh bejesus are running std valve gear aren't they???

Pinky doesn't idle too well either, i think that has something to do with the cams!!!!

y0z2a
01-06-2005, 12:56
9lives and oh bejesus are running std valve gear aren't they???

:shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

*still laughing now*

/y0z

KingStromba
01-06-2005, 12:59
Its not about superior knowledge Fred, its about stopping the perpetuation of bullshit that occurs on forums. This isnt Cliosport you know, We like the truth here.

Hippy was doing fine.

No, 2lives has fancy valves

2 live
01-06-2005, 13:01
hehe^^^^^ and yes..im still runnin std head casting(xept valve seats) and followers, still plenty more to be had out of it yet like, but at the expense of reliability i feel