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seb182
25-05-2005, 13:24
Sorry to spam your site.....

but what is up with CS? is it about to spontaneously combust or something?

utter crap.

J o n
25-05-2005, 13:26
no idea, it's probably all the shit in off topic destroying bandwidth again...

hmmm, i expect to see a increase in use here now that it has tho ;) lol

seb182
25-05-2005, 13:29
yeah i just pmed you

it is utter bollocks really...

J o n
25-05-2005, 13:30
PM'd back pal.

like I said, it prolly wont be long before it's up and running again... I was getting server SQL errors from this place earlier too...

seb182
25-05-2005, 13:32
i see so its not some sort of biblical disiaster like most people think then with all the crap flying round CS.. it really is dire... sorry to moan i'll stop now!

j3ned
25-05-2005, 13:35
c-mon lads its not that bad........give em a break !!! :D

J o n
25-05-2005, 13:36
LOL, nah I dont reckon so m8, give it an hour tops and it will be back... unless someone's just decided to call it a day... not really anyones decision to make tho as the club is really owned by the members.

CS would be fine if they just listened to my suggestion... although i'm prolly biased ;) lol

http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2712

Winston
25-05-2005, 13:36
Its fooooooooooooooked lol

FlamingMonkey
25-05-2005, 13:38
Think Yoz did mention about calling the forum a day if people didn't stop bickering.

J o n
25-05-2005, 13:38
kind of agree with you Matt, it's not all that bad, but it's bad enough from how it was when I joined. I just get fed up with all the crap posted and lack of real driving interest on there is all, but I use this place for that... in fact I think I only go on CS to wind people up if i'm honest :lol:

y0z2a
25-05-2005, 13:44
Think Yoz did mention about calling the forum a day if people didn't stop bickering.

I did, and I think that that is the final straw.

/y0z

seb182
25-05-2005, 13:45
its a shame but life goes on....

J o n
25-05-2005, 13:47
what's the final straw? which thread caused the end???

Yoz, who makes the decision as to whether or not the forum is closed or whatever?

If there's a problem surely it can be fixed... even if it it at the alienation of certain people... (the kids etc...)

seb182
25-05-2005, 13:48
^^^^^^agree jesus.....

but if thats yozza's decision then so be it... fairplay it has got bad...

J o n
25-05-2005, 13:50
yeah, I respect the decision, just dont agree with it. I've not renewed my membership, but had I done I would be upset. imo it's not something you can shut down as it belongs to no one, it's the members club if anything.

seb182
25-05-2005, 13:51
indeed... i'll take it over if they like :D

J o n
25-05-2005, 14:00
... I deffo wouldn't take it over, too much hassle... people I can deal with, memberships and all that pullava I couldn't.

In my firm but regime I would:

Remove off topic/general chat completely.
Have a seperate section for cleaning
Keep driving tales out of the club to keep people happy, but allow similar threads in Clio discussion... ie talking about performance and doing ill shit on the road lol.
I would ask some mods to kindly take a walk, nothing personal, but people dont like/respect them, plus their tone is dreadful when typing to people... could just need an English course in expression?
The word "crusise" would carry the death penalty... okay, it would be hard to enforce from the comfort of your own home, but this is where team work comes into play.
Anyone found going to far with A) personal insults or B) extrem porn (like animals etc) would be perma banned forthwith...
Let Stromba back on for pure comedy purposes, but have his own section that he can post in and others can... prolly leave him without access to the rest of the forum, kinda like the freaky kid in yer class at school that's put in a cage and poked with sticks... we'd let him out every now and again just for the hell of it tho... :lol:

seb182
25-05-2005, 14:02
pmsl laughing....

the stromba section would be great!

Winston
25-05-2005, 14:03
Cliosport Zoo....Rare bread of Stromba.... VERY DANGEROUS lol

R Andy
25-05-2005, 14:03
But just think of all the new traffic this forum is going to get now :wink:

seb182
25-05-2005, 14:05
indeed that is a good thing! hope as a 182 owner i am welcome! i don't mind haveing the piss taken (now and then as long as it is proportionate!!!) if its all in good humour! me and the JESUS had a good piss take on a cleaning thread on Cs a while ago! that made me laugh!

PS. i am not a chav either... lol

J o n
25-05-2005, 14:05
we dont mind the extra traffic, it's pretty much self moderating, so if all the barry boys and kids come on and start putting up shitty post everywhere they wont be very welcome. We're all about the MK1 Clio here, and cars in gereral... not kits etc. But more the merrier I say

R Andy
25-05-2005, 14:27
Well as a V6 Mk2 driver ... but who holds Mk1 Clios in high respect ... sure I'll feel more than welcome :D

FlamingMonkey
25-05-2005, 14:30
Well as a V6 Mk2 driver ... but who holds Mk1 Clios in high respect ... sure I'll feel more than welcome :D

Nice motor fella get some pics up :)

Andyvalver
25-05-2005, 14:49
I only post on cs every now and again. They just tend to talk shite.

Topic: 182 back to the dealers

Topic: 182/172 is the best in car in the world and nothing can touch it.

Blah blah

u33db
25-05-2005, 15:06
everythings locked atm??

seb182
25-05-2005, 15:17
yep i have no idea why....

Andyvalver
25-05-2005, 15:20
I was just browsing and wondered why it was locked. I thouht i had been banned 8)

Fred
25-05-2005, 15:30
The forum has been removed, due to a few "nameless" people (that have also been banned)

KingStromba
25-05-2005, 15:34
So why remove it and ban them. Surely if you ban them thats all you need to do? Or is this more of the treat people like children by taking away their toys attitude that the admin seems to have?

seb182
25-05-2005, 15:39
to be honest i have no idea...

i don't mind if they want to shut the forum for a while but there has been no explanation for it... all the forums were locked bar the meetings forum so i quickly posted a thread in their asking why is it all locked... before i could read it it was deleted!

all i want is an explanantion!

j3ned
25-05-2005, 15:43
there has been some real bitching going on and theres no need for it - its sad really, coz were all mates and just wanna talk about our motors.

I dont know !!!

J o n
25-05-2005, 15:44
oh well, get yer fivers out and join the hottest club in town! ;)

KingStromba
25-05-2005, 15:44
Motors? I was interested more in the horse and shoe threads myself :roll:

seb182
25-05-2005, 15:45
would the founder of WS create a 'clio 172/182/whatever other car you have even if it's not a williams' section then? :wink:

wouldn't want to spam up your williams discussion threads!

J o n
25-05-2005, 15:46
actually, that's not a bad idea... we're not elitist (sp?) afterall! :lol:

FlamingMonkey
25-05-2005, 15:46
would the founder of WS create a 'clio 172/182/whatever other car you have even if it's not a williams' section then? :wink:

wouldn't want to spam up your williams discussion threads!

Good idea get on it Northrop :D

KingStromba
25-05-2005, 15:47
would the founder of WS create a 'clio 172/182/whatever other car you have even if it's not a williams' section then? :wink:

wouldn't want to spam up your williams discussion threads!


I suggested an 'other marques' forum

j3ned
25-05-2005, 15:48
i wonder what will happen at the FCS...... what do you reckon ??

seb182
25-05-2005, 15:50
indeed Jesus, i think a bit of piss taking between different car owners is all good fun, but it seems occasionally it has got out of control on CS and WC... Even though i know i am welcome on WC it would be good to have another space here for 'other marques'

Maybe it could expand WC as well with new forum users even if they don't have a willy.

It would be nice to bulid some bridges so to speak!

KingStromba
25-05-2005, 15:51
I heard dave182 is going for the burger record currently held by Kathy

J o n
25-05-2005, 15:53
I heard dave182 is going for the burger record currently held by Kathy

:roll:

now now, less of the personal stuff, just feel sorry for him as he owns a 182 :wink: :o

seb182
25-05-2005, 15:55
all this talk of burgers s making me want one!

maybe its' a 182 thing... being full fat and all... :lol:

KingStromba
25-05-2005, 15:56
I heard dave182 is going for the burger record currently held by Kathy

:roll:

now now, less of the personal stuff, just feel sorry for him as he owns a 182 :wink: :o


Well he should have thought about that before he critisised my car. He gets personal, i get personal.

J o n
25-05-2005, 15:58
fair enough then... out of interest what did he say??

Enid
25-05-2005, 16:00
would the founder of WS create a 'clio 172/182/whatever other car you have even if it's not a williams' section then? :wink:

wouldn't want to spam up your williams discussion threads!


I suggested an 'other marques' forum

Thats fine with me as long as people respect why the club was originally created i.e. for the Williams Clio and other Mk 1's.

Andyvalver
25-05-2005, 16:02
If that happens. Move the 16v forum higher up the first page. :D

KingStromba
25-05-2005, 16:15
Obviously 182's would be at the bottom of the page :wink:

Andyvalver
25-05-2005, 16:16
:lol:

y0z2a
25-05-2005, 16:27
what's the final straw? which thread caused the end???

Yoz, who makes the decision as to whether or not the forum is closed or whatever?

If there's a problem surely it can be fixed... even if it it at the alienation of certain people... (the kids etc...)

the admin team as a whole - Jas, Wayne, Kathy, Roamer, Hippy, Paul, David, Nick, Emma and Myself...

We are sick to death of everyone saying how much better it can be, and how the forum can be improved and why this and why that...

Then people moaning about the rules on a car forum... the bullshit that comes with people with nothing better to do I guess.

People are saying that because comments aren't posted on cliosport they aren't subject to rules etc... Why the hell would you ignore it if someone made a personal comment about you? you would stop communicating with that person wouldn't you...

thats what happened.

we banned someone and the bullshit started.

and we are so tired of it, ALL of us.

ClioSport started to meet people of similar interests - cars - nothing more... now people want a bloody servant to help them type...

its just not right.

We have worked hard to get a new forum and everything, but from the old forum to the new forum is taking time due to the data and everything...

People complain about the Mods, the admin, the rules, everything and we are sick of it.

http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=8&TopicID=162588&PagePosition=1

:-(

/y0z

J o n
25-05-2005, 16:37
no fair enough Yoz, people should not be subjected to constant personal abuse and i've seen on there before when someone gets banned and their buddies go off on one... usually without a case to be fair, as most bannings have been because of a serious breach of one of the rules.

i'm disappointed about what you said about people moaning tho, I know I myself have voiced my views, but I always came up with what I thought would be a suitable solution, so I hope I'm not being tarnished with the same brush, as I genuinely wanted CS to work. A lot of people do moan, with nothing constructive to say, but maybe they are being like that because no one listened or acknowledged them in the first place?

KingStromba
25-05-2005, 16:38
Shape up or ship out?

KingStromba
25-05-2005, 16:41
So is the Admin going to let me back on as i was banned for no real reason other than Toms personal preference.

Ask jas if i can come back. Im sure hell say yes :wink:

J o n
25-05-2005, 16:43
you'd deffo need a post limit so you dont crash the site tho Rob :wink:

KingStromba
25-05-2005, 16:43
Hey Yoz, if you let me back on ill buy all the admin a pizza :wink:

J o n
25-05-2005, 16:46
between them or one each?

y0z2a
25-05-2005, 16:50
no fair enough Yoz, people should not be subjected to constant personal abuse and i've seen on there before when someone gets banned and their buddies go off on one... usually without a case to be fair, as most bannings have been because of a serious breach of one of the rules.

i'm disappointed about what you said about people moaning tho, I know I myself have voiced my views, but I always came up with what I thought would be a suitable solution, so I hope I'm not being tarnished with the same brush, as I genuinely wanted CS to work. A lot of people do moan, with nothing constructive to say, but maybe they are being like that because no one listened or acknowledged them in the first place?

I think the thing is is that people will continue to complain if they don't get the answer that they want.

they then try and make it look like we are being difficult.

we're not - were just trying to keep the MAJORITY of people happy.

its not a democracy, but it sure isn't a dictatorship.

All the admin people are people who know each other for one reason more than anything: its because we know each other, and can trust each other to do things - IE handle & deal with money, cheques, paypal etc. make sure that mechandise is purchased, posted and everything, tickets get sent to the right people and are sent / followed up etc.

you just have to give somethings to people you trust?

BTW - not angrily responding, just writing the way I see it. you are right with a few things - mainly - everyone wants cliosport to work...

/y0z

Purple
25-05-2005, 16:50
This is getting ridiculous!

1. Can people who has ideas on how they can run CS better - please go run CS?
2. Can the people who are getting tired of running CS - please let other people run CS?
3. If it still doesn't work out; Repeat from step 1 with new people until CS gets better.

It's call evolution! There must be loads of Clio owners out there that needs CS to continue in one form or other. All you guys will be meeting at FCS. That would be a good place to start things rolling on improve CS.

Griff
25-05-2005, 16:55
Y0z while I can fully appreciate it's less than fun being subjected to constant criticism from a tiny minority of members I'd ask all admin's to remember that there's some damn good people on CS who give up their time as forum admins and area reps not to mention all the friendly helpful forum members that help with all manner of things on a daily basis.

I personally can't help feeling that I'm being punished through no fault of my own. I've been a paying member since 2001 and it's a shame that I can't use the forums that I enjoy on a daily basis.

j3ned
25-05-2005, 16:59
MEETINGS & EVENTS is open for members to carry on the cs meets.

Toypop
25-05-2005, 17:00
If you ask me both sides on CS are over reacting and some are being childish.

I am one of 1400 odd members that used the forum for what it was originally intended and never got involved in all this bickering.

Now it is closed because of literally a dozen people. I think most of the "normal" users like myself have been taken completely by surprise by the closure because most of the bickering occured in PM's or in certain threads that us "normal" users never bothered reading anyway.


Why shut the forums because 0.1% of the membership are playing up?

20% of people you meet at work or in the pub are complete morons but that doesn't mean you stay in your bedroom and never go out.

I am not fussed whether the rules are right or wrong. They were laid down so I abided by them. With the size of membership on there they could afford to ban repeat offenders and if their mates played up ban them too. You wouldn't miss half a dozen people that never contributed to the valuable important threads anyway. Sorry to say that I'd rather see a dozen people unjustly banned than have the forums shut down entirely.

J o n
25-05-2005, 17:00
my point is forget the majority, they didn't make the club what it is... it was the nut cases like 2 live, yourself, jas, raiderman, ged etc etc that made it a good club. surely the site is for the purist enthusiasts? if not fair enough, but it all depends on what sort of club you want.

WilliamsClio is trying to be what CS once was and still should be imo. The advantage it has is that not many people can own a Williams for one reason or another, so we wont get as big as a club... however there's no reason to say it wont have as many registered users as CS who think it's some kind of play school and that's where it could start to go downhill. That wont happen though as long as people remember the original point of the club. The purists will make sure of that anyway, as much as it makes us sound like twats we just want it to be a car club, nothing more (and yes, sadly this will include the alienation of the maxers... unless we bend them to our way of thinking).

If I was a mod on WC and we got the sorta stuff posted that you guys do on CS i'd be checking the individuals contribution to the club, ie if they only post in off topic about non related inane crap all the time i'm sorry to say that I would tow a hard line and ban em... lol

y0z2a
25-05-2005, 17:01
i know mate.

we just want to get everything fixed and then leave it to run.

BTW. you can't just give it to anyone... you have stock, inventory and all the rest to think about... you need bank accounts set up, you need po box and all sorts.

/y0z

Enid
25-05-2005, 17:07
I have no issues with CS. I agree with what Slugger said earlier in that as its become so big it has been increasingly harder to manage. With so many people you'll never be able to keep them all happy. People have different opinons, some people moan for the sheer hell of it, they get a kick out of being awkward.

If this club were to get as big as CS then we would suffer the exact same problems, get the same pointless threads and experience the same "lack of harmony".

Now how you counter this, I have no idea! You need to give people the freedom to air their views and opinions afterall no one wants to be gagged but obviously there comes a point when it goes too far. People will also want to be able to discuss other non car related topics and I can understand why people get frustrated with some of the inane threads that get posted, but you can't ban people for posting silly threads lol.

I think anyone running such a large club really has their work cut out. I don't envy Wayne or Kathy or whoever if anyone takes it over. I hope CS does get back on track, it deserves to, people like Jas, Wayne and Kathy and others have put a lot of hard work into that club for very little reward imo.

Purple
25-05-2005, 17:25
i know mate.
we just want to get everything fixed and then leave it to run.
BTW. you can't just give it to anyone... you have stock, inventory and all the rest to think about... you need bank accounts set up, you need po box and all sorts.
/y0z

But it has to be sorted out, somehow. And I don't think "letting it run" is a workable long-term option. Like it or not, with over 1000 members there has to be a regular group of people managing the place. And from, time to time, there must be some sort of public feedback from most of the members (not just the vocal few), on whether the management is doing a decent job. Like I said earlier, FCS is a good place to start working out the details with all involved.

richy
25-05-2005, 18:46
ive never really had any problems with cs, find it a good and usefull site for what i need, never really had any real problems with anyone and enjoy the meets(when ppl attend!)

hope it does continue and things improve, wether changes have to be made or not isnt down to me, its a big site and has to try to tender for the ppl as a whole not just certain induviduals and there views.

although it does bore me when ppl post the same stuff over and over which isnt car related as that is what the site is about.

KingStromba
25-05-2005, 18:56
**** cliosport. Its dying. **** Tom. Hes a computer geek. **** James. Hes dying too.


Long live Williamsclio.


The BEST car owners club in the UK

NickFr
25-05-2005, 19:14
TBH I think that both these two gents have been mentioned enough already.....KS you obviously have history with these two gents.....and I shant interfere with your on-going feud.

I think this club is the best.....I think my kids are the best...and I think that my GF is very definitely the best....BUT its time to heal the rift..if not the personal issues with a couple of people then at least between the two forums and clubs.

People should be acting with dignity and be a little less aggressive IMHO, I hope that the FCS is not ruined by trouble and everyone enters into the spirit of the event, the putting together of the best of French Motoring :wink:

Enid
25-05-2005, 21:04
I'm with Nick on this one.

Swervin_Mervin
25-05-2005, 23:26
Personally I think it's a good decision to close the forum. I actually think it would be a good idea to keep it closed for some time and allow people to calm down.

I think the timing of the decision for Kathy and Wayne to leave could've been better though, ie after the FCS.

I hope CS recovers but TBH it's looked like it's been on the brink of collapse some time.

KingStromba
25-05-2005, 23:33
I'm with Nick on this one.


Im with Nick on everything.

2 live
26-05-2005, 09:32
hehe...iv read most of this thread, and as the old timers from cs, rsc, and the yahoo groups message board b4 them both, will prob know i dont like to keep my opinions to myself lol.......whether it be from behind a keyboard or face to face.........but to get hassle for this on a forum from supposed moderaters is jus fukkin unbelievable..........they banned all topics involving sex, racing, speeding, drugs.......well thats me with fuk all to say lol......but the mods friends openly get away with talkin about the same things others have been banned/suspended for??????



think thats the thing puttin most ppl off cs..or is that jus me?? hehe

big hp
26-05-2005, 12:43
hehe...iv read most of this thread, and as the old timers from cs, rsc, and the yahoo groups message board b4 them both, will prob know i dont like to keep my opinions to myself lol.......whether it be from behind a keyboard or face to face.........but to get hassle for this on a forum from supposed moderaters is jus fukkin unbelievable..........they banned all topics involving sex, racing, speeding, drugs.......well thats me with fuk all to say lol......but the mods friends openly get away with talkin about the same things others have been banned/suspended for??????



think thats the thing puttin most ppl off cs..or is that jus me?? hehe

No your spot on :)

Lunner
26-05-2005, 12:46
Spot on, i've been stripped of my newley appointed area rep status for expressing my opinions :roll:

ian 182
26-05-2005, 13:44
Its getting on my tits too,and i think the place changed when they got rid of driving tales.The last ones that did it for me were.My horse likes the camera post and the post your shoe collection.I mean ffs,theres of topic and off the planet.
Its a shame really

ian

Lunner
26-05-2005, 14:01
Its getting on my tits too,and i think the place changed when they got rid of driving tales.The last ones that did it for me were.My horse likes the camera post and the post your shoe collection.I mean ffs,theres of topic and off the planet.
Its a shame really

ian

Alot of the downfall, in my opinion are the people (won't name names, ut i think we know who they are) who go on teh forum to spam basically, ahve no interest in cars, and i say to those people go and find a different forum to **** about on

smokey
27-05-2005, 01:02
what's the final straw? which thread caused the end???

Yoz, who makes the decision as to whether or not the forum is closed or whatever?

If there's a problem surely it can be fixed... even if it it at the alienation of certain people... (the kids etc...)

the admin team as a whole - Jas, Wayne, Kathy, Roamer, Hippy, Paul, David, Nick, Emma and Myself...

We are sick to death of everyone saying how much better it can be, and how the forum can be improved and why this and why that...

Then people moaning about the rules on a car forum... the bullshit that comes with people with nothing better to do I guess.
People are saying that because comments aren't posted on cliosport they aren't subject to rules etc... Why the hell would you ignore it if someone made a personal comment about you? you would stop communicating with that person wouldn't you...

thats what happened.

we banned someone and the bullshit started.

and we are so tired of it, ALL of us.

ClioSport started to meet people of similar interests - cars - nothing more... now people want a bloody servant to help them type...

its just not right.

We have worked hard to get a new forum and everything, but from the old forum to the new forum is taking time due to the data and everything...

People complain about the Mods, the admin, the rules, everything and we are sick of it.

http://forum.cliosport.net/display_topic_threads.asp?ForumID=8&TopicID=162588&PagePosition=1

:-(

/y0z


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Dealers, Tuners and other companies. They are there to be adored and scorned, admired and admonished, revered and questioned constantly. But, there is a fine line between scorning/admonishing/questioning and defaming/wrongly accusing/slandering.

It's not always easy to know where that fine line lies, nor is it easy to always make a unanimously agreed judgement call on whether something falls under what we would constitute as allowable and what we would constitute as not.

It's easy to know what to do when something is - in our view - blatantly illegal or a mere flame-bait. We will simply delete it.

It's easy to know what to do when something is - in our view - within the acceptable realm of speaking up. We simply let it exist here, regardless of whether we think it's ridiculous or ludicrous.

But, in a case of doubt, it goes down to your own level of tolerance. Personally, in such cases, we prefer to be lenient and allow these thoughts to be heard.

There is a price for that, though; those who elect to take upon themselves a crusade on a particularly controversial issue should bear in mind that they themselves are bound to be scorned back for their views.

You cannot stand in the city square and tell everyone they are blind fools (and telling all Joe Bloggs fans that he's the worst dealer ever, or telling Fred Smith fans that he's nothing but a cheater, is exactly that - either way, you are telling those fans that they are blind fools) and do not expect it to go unnoticed. If you get a tomato in your face, you should also ask yourself if you didn't ask for it.

Having said that, it should be made clear that counter-attacking a poster is different to personally insulting someone.

Telling someone that his post is ridiculous, or even that he's a liar (if you can prove that!) is not the same as telling someone "you are an idiot who should be shot to death". We will tolerate to a large extent the first; We won't tolerate to any extent the second, that is abuse plain and simple.

4. Personal Feuds. Sometimes, though luckily not often, a Bulletin Board debate will turn into a personal feud between two posters. We want to make it perfectly clear that,

a) We will not allow, under any circumstances, this feud to be carried out publicly;
b) We will not intervene nor be a judge to personal feuds; and
c) We will not offer any of the ClioSport.net tools - primarily the Private Messaging system - to serve this feud, unless BOTH sides are willing to engage in this dialogue.

If you send an offensive Private Message to another poster, unsolicited, be aware that it is their full right to complain to us about it, and should we find that PM to be indeed offensive, we will not allow you to again use the PM system, and upon repeated complaints (from one or all) treat this as any other public issue - we will ban that user altogether from the forum.

Furthermore, in radical situations, when a couple of posters constantly attack each other or harass each other - in public or via PM - We will bar BOTH sides from exchanging ANY word on the forum (in public or via PM) with each other. If they continue to do so, one or all, they will be thrown outside.

This is NOT a forum for personal feuds, put simply.

Moreover, this is not a "who started it" situation. If someone insulted you, you are not absolved for insulting back. And, if you think someone should be banned and we disagree - then tough; if we're not convinced about it (and you're welcome to try to convince us reasonably by private means i.e. email) then it doesn't license you to take the situation into your own hands and launch a campaign of harassments against that poster. Insulting him back won't make us think you're right; it will only make us think you're the trouble we should be dealing with.

5. Reference to the Admins/Moderators. We have an underlying rule that you may not like but we insist on: ALL admins and moderators on ClioSport.net are to be treated with respect. That is pure and simple!!

They are a bunch of GOOD hard working people, with the very best of intentions regardless of what you may think, who really put in hours a day (and in some cases have done so for a very long time) to serve YOU. And by saying SERVE YOU we do not mean they are your servants. Please learn to differentiate between the two.

If, however, an administrator/moderator is in your views out of line, then you are perfectly welcome to complain. But you do it in PRIVATE and reasonably. We will handle it through our channels, not yours. And, although some here seem to want to see blood running through the streets, we can tell you this much: this is not the "let's flog show". If you wanna see that one, it must be playing on another forum - not on ClioSport.net.

6. Forum Users - if you have not joined the club you are a forum user, and as such you are limited to 20 posts in any 24 hour period.

In lieu of the other rules above, members must adhere to, we also want to inform you that while we practice tolerance with regular users, we will practice absolutely none with new users (Newbies).

If a new user joins to immediately be proven a problem, he/she will immediately be banned - no warnings, no discussions.

Simple as that. If a new user cannot be bothered to read the terms and conditions he's just agreed to, let alone adhere to them, then we are not about to waste our time and resources on reforming them. Any signs of trouble will be nipped in the bud.

7. Starting New Threads. USING SEARCH Before you start a new thread, take the time to look at the list of existing threads to check whether your topic has not already been discussed. Moreover, if you are starting a thread to ask a specific question - run a search first to make sure it was not already answered. I want to be clear on this: there are only very few things that annoy us more than users who flippantly start duplicate threads.

8. Advertisements of -- or Criticism on -- other websites. Two words for you: not here. There is no prohibition whatsoever on mentioning other websites (with one or two exceptions, these sites will show *** in place of the URL), quoting from other websites, or even recommending other websites. But if you came here in order to complain about how you got mistreated on another Bulletin Board, or came to invite everyone to join you on another Bulletin Board - your thread will be removed and you will be banned instantly, with no prior warning.

9. Posting pictures on ClioSport.net Forums. Images whose copyright you do not own; that reside on other websites than ClioSport.net or yours, should be posted as a LINK only. If it's one odd image - the copyright holder and the website owner may overlook. But some here can overdo it, posting hi-res images from other websites, which not only infringes their copyright but also hijacks their bandwidth. So please use the image link button.

Please respect the copyright of printed material also, do not scan in magazine articles and post them on the forum, without first gaining the permission of both the copyright holder and the forum admin staff.

If it’s not your image, or from a press office, then you don't own the copyright, so please respect the rules.

When posting images of vehicles, please ensure the registration plates are blanked out using an art package such as Photoshop, Paint Shop Pro, if you can't, speak to one of the admins who may be able to advise or help.

10. Traders, Companies

No traders are allowed to advertise their goods, company or i.p. without prior approval from one of the Admin team.

If you wish to discuss discounts, special offers or advertising queries, please contact info@cliosport.net

11. Main Site & Forum copyright

While you are free to link to articles and any images on the main ClioSport.net site, we would like to remind you that the main site is Copyright ClioSport and the relevant author(s)

Rules & Guidelines for For Sale Section- PLEASE READ

1) Any derogatory remarks regarding an item for sale will be removed. A person is entitled to ask whatever price he wants, regardless of whether you think its too expensive or otherwise.

2) The advert will be removed from the website after 45 days. This includes all attachments & information.

3) ClioSport, nor any member of the team can take any responsibility for the adverts placed.

4) Buyer beware. Always ascertain a level of confidence with the advertiser before parting with your money. The last thing that we want is for someone to get ripped off.

5) Only Full Members can post for sale adverts.

6) Everything has a price, or at worst an “offers around”

No Price, no Ad. It will be removed.

7) No Commercial posts, (except for ClioSport authorised companies) – Please don't use ClioSport as a springboard for your latest business opportunity.

If you want to offer the members your product, please email forum@cliosport.net

No selling of illegal items or copyrighted items. This includes software.

Guidelines

Description – Accurately describe the item you wish to sell in the title.

Bad Example: **LOOK HERE**

Good Example: 2001Y Clio 172 36K Modified.

Then include all the other information inside the post regarding all other aspects.

Bad Examples will either be removed or edited, whichever is easier.

Pictures – A good set of pictures will help no end to draw interest to the goods you're selling. You can link images into your thread – why not make use of this feature.

Rules and guidelines for General Chat section – PLEASE READ

This area is for talking about things which don’t come under any other forum topic. Everyday life things. No adult content is allowed. This means, no nudity is to be posted on the forum. Links to porn sites or content are not allowed. This is a car site after all. If porn is what you’re after you can find it easily enough in the relevant places. Persistent posters of such content will be banned without warning.

END NOTICE

Finally, we want to stress that all these rules are not challenges but rather boundaries we have set. We didn't make them up because we were bored, we came up with them after over three years of running what is one the busiest and best supported Clio related forums on the internet.

So don't test us: we really do know by now what we're doing... Having said that, know that you can - ALWAYS - contact by PM or e-mail one of the admins and offer advise, feedback, criticism or just make a general inquiry.

Thanks for your time and understanding; please enjoy using ClioSport.net as it was intended the No1 Source of Clio information, and a kick ass group of good people to boot.

y0z2a
27-05-2005, 02:23
:-(

/y0z

Purple
27-05-2005, 02:30
I double that sentiment.
:( :(

y0z2a
27-05-2005, 02:37
i was implying :-( at smokeys displeasure.

/y0z

Purple
27-05-2005, 02:50
I was saying that it's sad it had to come to this.

Just too much aggro flying about everywhere at the moment, everyone should take a step back for a bit.

Lunner
27-05-2005, 09:14
I gfot about halfway through that and got bored...plus my head started hurting :oops:

Kelly
27-05-2005, 09:31
wft? As if all the users of the forums are going to sit and read that. It's just not needed!

Talking to people like they are stupid doesn't help either.

Winston
27-05-2005, 09:32
2607 words :shock:

I read it :roll: lol

Craig
27-05-2005, 09:35
i still have no idea how the theory behind why the 'other marques' forum is locked for non members when the majority of folk that are likely to comment in there on what people have posted or to answer questions are not gonna be clio owners or cliosport members, but the owners of the cars in question!

for example, someone was asking about import scoobies, which i could have happily advise them on but its locked! and im not member!

doesnt make any sense to me that...! other than another way to try and get new members to sign up!

i do agree that the place has gone seriously downhill tho over the past year, for numerous reasons, but petty deleting of posts, and the likes is the main cause IMO.

example, i posted that this youth i got a lift back from a club with was driving like an idiot, and almost crashed doing about 70mph on a bend, and basically said dont risk driving too fast on corners, etc, not worth it, it was lucky we didnt crash, and i was asking about whiplash that id got from the back end snapping, jolting my neck! thread got deleted, and i got a blunt PM from James saying 'Speeding, deleted!!' a nice PM to ask me to edit it would have been better, instead of giving an arrogant answer like that as if he ruled the world and i was scum! no need for it! one of may examples no doubt!

Lunner
27-05-2005, 10:05
i still have no idea how the theory behind why the 'other marques' forum is locked for non members when the majority of folk that are likely to comment in there on what people have posted or to answer questions are not gonna be clio owners or cliosport members, but the owners of the cars in question!

for example, someone was asking about import scoobies, which i could have happily advise them on but its locked! and im not member!

doesnt make any sense to me that...! other than another way to try and get new members to sign up!

i do agree that the place has gone seriously downhill tho over the past year, for numerous reasons, but petty deleting of posts, and the likes is the main cause IMO.

example, i posted that this youth i got a lift back from a club with was driving like an idiot, and almost crashed doing about 70mph on a bend, and basically said dont risk driving too fast on corners, etc, not worth it, it was lucky we didnt crash, and i was asking about whiplash that id got from the back end snapping, jolting my neck! thread got deleted, and i got a blunt PM from James saying 'Speeding, deleted!!' a nice PM to ask me to edit it would have been better, instead of giving an arrogant answer like that as if he ruled the world and i was scum! no need for it! one of may examples no doubt!

ALot of people ahve had probelms wiht James, but on the occasions when i have had dealings with him 've found him to be ok, better then PMing mods and being ignored when they are active and posting

Tommo
27-05-2005, 10:17
I've only ever been on CS a few times and got bored, this is a much better forum. And WTF is all this about driving tales being banned on CS? We are all grown adults and can make our own decisions. People aren't gonna read a driving tale and think 'I know I'm gonna go out and do 170mph and wrap my car around a tree' cos of something they've read? Another reason I don't go on there is the fact I'm very stubborn and don't like people telling me what I can and can't say......f*ck that the customer is KING!!!

KingStromba
27-05-2005, 11:01
Great rules. I wonder who decided on 10 pages of Stalin orientated clown food.


Maybe this recent pic of Roamer gives it away


http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/King_Stromba/Clown.jpg

KingStromba
27-05-2005, 11:12
Here is the Admin meet where the powers that be decided on the rules. Apparently the pizza was free.

Tom And James

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/King_Stromba/TomandJames.jpg

Nick

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/King_Stromba/Nick.jpg

Everyone enjoying some bowling

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/King_Stromba/Bowling.jpg

Yazza

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/King_Stromba/Yozza.jpg

KingStromba
27-05-2005, 11:15
First draught of the new rules

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y240/King_Stromba/Pic.jpg

J o n
27-05-2005, 11:17
what a shame... I read through some of it, but I dont use the forum enough to warrant or even bother reading them all. Plus the tone of it is dreadful, it addresses everyone in the same manner... if it had been worded a bit more apologetically with reference to it being that way because of a minority then it would have been slightly better... but as it stands it's patronising and there's too many things to think about when posting... I'm sorry, but I like to have a laugh and a crack with people and yes, I also like to wind people up a bit, but most people already know that... well the ones that know me do :lol:
I dont think i'll be posting on there again much now if at all, I use forums light heartedly, not as if my life depended on it. good luck to them, hope these new rules work out for them. I could go on further, but I dont see the point, my thoughts are known, but I am surprised that those rules are in place, I had thought a change back to the old school was about to happen and a few bannings, but instead they have tried to keep the club for all types as opposed to the true enthusiasts... I can see the outcome of this already tho... same shit different day springs to mind... I think a whole new problem has no been created.

Swervin_Mervin
27-05-2005, 11:27
^^^What he said.

And I still think it should've remained shut for some time. It would've allowed things to calm down.

Ho hum. It's not me running it.

J o n
27-05-2005, 11:53
but if it was it would probably be the best club in the world Mike ;)

Swervin_Mervin
27-05-2005, 11:59
8)

Anything goes. Self moderation is the future. Evo's forum has been that way for ever, and I'm amazed it's still going given some of the content!

But if anyone really sinks low they tend to get battered by other users. My suggestion of trialling such a method on CS led to piss-taking by mods.

Hence my lapsing of my membership. If they expect people to take them seriously they must distinguish between piss-takers and serious users making suggestions and treat them with respect.

My £5 should be EARNT by a club, not EXPECTED. And if I'm paying for a service (which, let's face it, it is) I expect good customer service in return.

My use of a forum should not be seen as a privilege, which is what CS admin seem to think they are giving people.

Craig
27-05-2005, 12:26
ill appologise now but fuking PMSL @ stromba!!! :lol:

Tommo
27-05-2005, 13:56
8)

Anything goes. Self moderation is the future. Evo's forum has been that way for ever, and I'm amazed it's still going given some of the content!

But if anyone really sinks low they tend to get battered by other users. My suggestion of trialling such a method on CS led to piss-taking by mods.

Hence my lapsing of my membership. If they expect people to take them seriously they must distinguish between piss-takers and serious users making suggestions and treat them with respect.

My £5 should be EARNT by a club, not EXPECTED. And if I'm paying for a service (which, let's face it, it is) I expect good customer service in return.

My use of a forum should not be seen as a privilege, which is what CS admin seem to think they are giving people.

Totally agree mate. I hate arrogant attitudes like that, they don't seem to realise that without the customer (which is what we are at the end of the day) they are nothing. They treat it like they're doing us a favour, prob why it's all gone tits up. I can understand the point about newbies being banned straight away if they come on just to cause trouble, that's fair enough, and racist remarks etc. that's all fair enough, but to delete threads about driving tales and stuff which is a bit of banter is just petty in my eyes. Anyway think I've said enough on this subject, off home to clean my car and then get hammered......

Chris n`nic
27-05-2005, 19:11
hehe...iv read most of this thread, and as the old timers from cs, rsc, and the yahoo groups message board b4 them both, will prob know i dont like to keep my opinions to myself lol.......whether it be from behind a keyboard or face to face.........but to get hassle for this on a forum from supposed moderaters is jus fukkin unbelievable..........they banned all topics involving gays, gays, gays, gays.......well thats me with fuk all to say lol......but the mods friends openly get away with talkin about the same things others have been banned/suspended for??????



think thats the thing puttin most ppl off cs..or is that jus me?? hehe



I think it`s just you jon?! :lol: