Willy oil cooler [Archive]

VIPERONE

24-05-2005, 19:38

Pic request of piping and plumbing, my old block didnt have an oil cooler..
is it really neccessary?/
removable? by passable?

Martin

24-05-2005, 20:03

Valvers really suffer at high speed cruising because they have no oil cooler...when me and Danny were late going to York we had to slow because his oil temp was over 120 degrees after a 60 odd miles of 100-120mph driving. My williams was still on 105ish degrees C.

MatBrown

24-05-2005, 23:00

I'll try and get some pics for you.
Could always do you the parts needed to plumb it in.

Mat.

BenR

24-05-2005, 23:50

practically useless, thermal trasnfer area is very poor.

The quality of oil has more bearing on whats happening than the tiny heat exchanger.

VIPERONE

25-05-2005, 07:40

think i'll fuk it off...lol

case

25-05-2005, 18:24

Is this oil cooler just located within the oil filter mounting plate?

Mark

KingStromba

25-05-2005, 19:35

I have an oil cooler. Better get on Gunner. The williams had one for a reason. :D

Mark_Ritchspeed

25-05-2005, 20:18

If it hasnt got one already and you want to fit one, then go for an air-cooled cooler as opposed to water cooled. Far superior IMO.

BenR

26-05-2005, 00:43

much much better, but very different things. The one on as std is a heat exchanger, its not meant to cool the oil at all.

case

26-05-2005, 01:00

So is the standard cooler built into the block? i've heard before that a replacement air cooler can also cause problems as it is aimed at long drives so means it'll take longer to heat your oil. Heard that its only really needed if your always on long runs and curently have a problem.

Thats just what i've heard not my opinion.

Winston

26-05-2005, 01:03

standard one is built/plummed into the cooling system

BenR

26-05-2005, 01:06

oil cooler really is needed if you thrash it.

And most cooler assemblies can be bought with a built in thermostat so that oil doesnt pass through the cooler until it opens at circa 90 deg.

case

26-05-2005, 01:07

^^^
Thanks winston. Thought so but was worried for a minute that i might be missing it. lol.

dannyt

26-05-2005, 18:46

yer martin, I remember that one well, also happened on track that time as well!

Didn't realise valvers didn't have the oil cooler fitted as standard but now that explains it, however now i've been changing the oil a lot it's been a lot better!

Danny

Winston

26-05-2005, 21:02

My 1.8 had one and so does u33db(BRUNS)....think it was early ones

KingStromba

26-05-2005, 22:11

Nick Hill said most / all Williams' will have one (although i think Mark said his hadnt), and some valvers will have them too.

Allan

27-05-2005, 01:39

yeah my valver doesnt have one, and the other night while out thrashing it with summy, i had to stop for 10 mins to let the engine cool down ;(
oil presure went to 0 ;( and that using the renault elf ST 10w 40, so planning on putting some fully synth in next oil change

BenR

27-05-2005, 02:12

Just put an oil cooler kit on.

For the price of 4 good synthetic oil changes you can have more stable oil temps and run longer drain intervals.

VIPERONE

27-05-2005, 05:11

well i cant be arsed with the hassle of plumbing it all in... modern oil ccan usually handle heat... plus my valver never encroached 110 on the scale...

Swervin_Mervin

27-05-2005, 10:31

Since mine had a new rad and coolant flush etc, it rarely gets over 110 on the motorway whereas previously it would be hitting over 140.

If you are going the oil cooler route get yourself a Mocal kit for about 120 notes. They do them at Demon Tweeks and I think Nick Hill has plumbed a few in for people.

Purple

27-05-2005, 10:40

Since mine had a new rad and coolant flush etc, it rarely gets over 110 on the motorway whereas previously it would be hitting over 140.

Wow, 140C. That's really high. Did the high engine temp. break anything?

Swervin_Mervin

27-05-2005, 10:55

<fingers crossed>

No.

BenR

27-05-2005, 22:08

if you thrash it properly, the oil temp WILL soar! lol

installation is easy.

mon

14-09-2005, 23:29

anyone got pics of the oil cooler fitted..

mine is a phase 2 96 n will mine have a oil cooler?

Lunner

14-09-2005, 23:33

well i cant be arsed with the hassle of plumbing it all in... modern oil ccan usually handle heat... plus my valver never encroached 110 on the scale...

Plumbing it all in...pish!!!

Take off plate between block and filter, 2 pipes to cooler, cooler...sorted, 30 minute job

VIPERONE

15-09-2005, 00:18

ram it mountbatton, i have plumbed in the whole setup. .. car is fine. yet to encounter an rsi for a play..

Martin

15-09-2005, 16:43

lol!

Lunner

15-09-2005, 18:07

ram it mountbatton, i have plumbed in the whole setup. .. car is fine. yet to encounter an rsi for a play..

Donnington....bring it!! :lol:

kj16v

16-09-2005, 13:01

Haynes manual says F7P engines have an oil heat exchanger.

mon

16-09-2005, 17:39

same here but were? is it

BenR

16-09-2005, 22:59

between oil filter and block.

mon

16-09-2005, 23:00

wot the filter fits on the coller?

or next to it

BRUN

16-09-2005, 23:05

any pics ?

wasnt aware that mine had one

ive just put Silkolene Pro S 5W-40 in mine and my temps have gone down quite nicely

mon

16-09-2005, 23:09

my mate has a full can of that from when he had hi scooby ra .. he is selling it i got it of net from rochdale is dear stuff i think £35

good gear

BenR

17-09-2005, 00:23

Its not really a cooler, but a pathetic little heat exchanger. Between block and filter.

Not all of the clios have them, some do some dont.

BRUN

18-09-2005, 00:52

my mate has a full can of that from when he had hi scooby ra .. he is selling it i got it of net from rochdale is dear stuff i think £35

good gear

yup, A-PP it would have been, used to get mine from there

Lunner

18-09-2005, 13:17

Thats not what teh pipes comming off this late on teh RSi, between the blobk and the filter are are they?

http://lunner.co.uk/Engine%20Conversion/Head%20Removal/slides/CIMG1315.JPG

smokey

21-09-2005, 01:22

Here they are arrowed on my Willy lump

http://premium1.uploadit.org/smokey//DSC0086411111.JPG

Lunner

04-12-2005, 16:28

Does anyone have a pic of this on the williams, been offered a brand new 12 row oil cooler, deisgned for a mini, but i guess they all do the same thing, for an absoloute bargin price.

Is that pic i posted the same sorta thing the williams has?

stan

04-12-2005, 16:36

yes its the same as in the pic. fut an wir:liquid one mate.....much better. im fitting one this week before next dyno session

Lunner

04-12-2005, 16:43

wir:liquid? :?

Its an air cooled one i can get cheap

stan

04-12-2005, 16:55

lol sorry air:liquid....

i.e. wot u are on about!

Lunner

04-12-2005, 17:03

Yeah thats what i was planning on fitting, works on the same principle as the radiator, no point in colling hot oil with hot coolant lol

stew

04-12-2005, 17:11

how is it connected up? Where do you tap in to the existing heat exchanger to get an oil feed to the air cooler? and where does the return go?

I'm well up for getting one of these, but a thermostat would be useful also. Sounds complicated? :?

Lunner

04-12-2005, 17:16

You get a sandwich plate, like in the piccy above that goes between teh filter and block and has an inbuilt thermostat.

If you have cololing as above, its a case, in the simplist terms to connecting those two pipes togther, for a better soloutiion you obvously remove as much of the pipes as you can before connecting them together

stew

04-12-2005, 20:28

ahh ic! Makes sense i suppose! Where can the sandwich plates be bought from? Ive looked on ebay and demon tweeks for oil coolers, but need to find a sandwich plate thingy with a thermostat in it! :D

Lunner

04-12-2005, 20:41

Deamon tweeks motorsport catalogue have them

stew

04-12-2005, 20:45

Deamon tweeks motorsport catalogue have them

For a clio F7R or F7P? :? I couldnt see any! Just some universal ones!