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oilman
25-05-2007, 14:34
Costs of synthetics vary considerably. The most expensive are the “Ester” types originally only used in jet engines. These cost 6 to 10 times more than high quality mineral oils.

The cheapest synthetics are not really synthetic at all, they are dug out of the ground and not manmade. These are in fact specially refined light viscosity mineral oils known as “hydrocracked” oils.

“Hydrocracked” oils have some advantages over their equivalent mineral oils, particularly in lower viscosity motor oils such as 5w-30 and 5w-40 and they cost about 1.5 times more than good quality mineral fractions. This is the “synthetic” which is always used in cheap oils that are labelled “synthetic”.

So, why are these special mineral oils called “synthetic”?

Well, it all came about from a legal battle that took place in the USA more than ten years ago. Sound reasons (including evidence from a Nobel Prize winning chemist) were disregarded and the final ruling was that certain mineral bases that had undergone extra chemical treatments could be called “synthetic”.

Needless to say, the marketing executives wet their knickers with pure delight! They realised that this meant, and still does, that the critical buzz-word “synthetic” could be printed on a can of cheap oil provided that the contents included some “hydrocracked” mineral oil, at a cost of quite literally a few pence.

So, the chemistry of “synthetics” is complex and so is the politics. The economics are very simple though.

If you like the look of a smart well-marketed can with “synthetic” printed on it, fair enough, it will not cost you a lot; and now you know why this is the case, it’s really only a highly processed mineral oil.

But, if you drive a high performance or modified car, and you intend to keep it for several years, and maybe do the odd “track day” or “1/4 mile”, then you need a genuine Ester/PAO (Poly Alpha Olefin) synthetic oil.

These oils cost more money to buy, because they cost a lot more money to make.

Very simply, you always get what you pay for, cheap oils contain cheap ingredients, what did you expect!

AndyFielder
25-05-2007, 14:53
could you recomend some of these high quality oils?

prehaps if someone did a list rather than lots of spam.

Andy

AmDaMan
25-05-2007, 14:57
good, interesting read, probably belongs in general discussion though.

arj256
25-05-2007, 15:24
As in many things you get what you pay for.
Thats probably why Clios are not the most reliable cars :wink:
Looking at when our cars first came out, and what was put in to keep them lubricated.
Im sure it wasnt ester based oils, most likely to be the "highly processed mineral oil"
So looking at the ages of our cars and how many miles they have covered. They are still going fine.
So is there really a need to buy the top of range oils for non competitive environments?
As in reality the more you spend on oil, the less you will want to change it to get your moneys worth.

VIPERONE
25-05-2007, 18:52
oilspam


i run a clio not an f1 car

ash clio gtt
25-05-2007, 19:43
halfords oil is all you will ever need :wink:
dont believe the hype :roll:

VIPERONE
25-05-2007, 19:58
nah nor do i.

if iran a 0k car then i would probably read the dross

white16valver
25-05-2007, 20:51
Mine runs better on non-fully-synthetic Excellium than the fully synth Fuchs stuff that BenR put in at the last service! lol