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steveo
15-04-2007, 22:23
Thinking of getting a gas flowed head from BB Tuning at some point, so just wondering if anyone else had used one on there Valver or Willy and what results were seen :D

steveo
15-04-2007, 22:24
** their - my bad - where's the edit button LOL

Clio_GTT
15-04-2007, 22:28
Much better places than BB IMHO, probably cheaper too

MAXIBOY
15-04-2007, 23:46
agree. three spring to mind. stan or ben r off here or port formance.

MatBrown
16-04-2007, 00:41
If he's in Brum, Hillpower isn't far away.


Mat.

steveo
16-04-2007, 12:48
How much do the port formance tuned heads go for??

northy
16-04-2007, 12:49
£800 a head at portformance.

neilvalver
17-04-2007, 13:27
wot do you get for your £800??

northy
17-04-2007, 13:38
Ported and flowed cylinder head

MAXIBOY
17-04-2007, 14:52
do you get bigger valves for that.

northy
17-04-2007, 14:54
No this is for head grinding and flowing only.

Matt_16v
17-04-2007, 14:55
I think my head was 750 from Stan- thats big valve head

MAXIBOY
17-04-2007, 14:58
yeah i paid 550 and got a big valve inlet megane head. but i took a while.

16v_russ
17-04-2007, 17:15
as always id suggest hill power

steveo
17-04-2007, 17:20
How much do Hill Power charge for their head work?

MAXIBOY
17-04-2007, 20:48
phone nick. dependant on spec

thelynx
17-04-2007, 22:01
What kind of gain are we looking at for a big valve ported polished head?

Say with performance cams and with standard cams?

MAXIBOY
17-04-2007, 22:19
head can be worth 15 to 20 bhp. cams 10 to 20 bhp dependant on spec.

MAXIBOY
18-04-2007, 10:12
yes gaz but did you start with the bigger valved willy heads to start with. maybe people building hybrid,s with 1.8 heads could do with a willy or megane sized inlet to start with. or were your,s both 1.8 heads in which case i,ll shut up.

u33db
20-04-2007, 06:32
Thinking of getting a gas flowed head from BB Tuning at some point, so just wondering if anyone else had used one on there Valver or Willy and what results were seen :D

Dont bother if its for a 1.8

Lee Keefy
20-04-2007, 16:38
Thinking of getting a gas flowed head from BB Tuning at some point, so just wondering if anyone else had used one on there Valver or Willy and what results were seen :D

Dont bother if its for a 1.8

why????

DaveH
20-04-2007, 18:25
^^lol

As said if its the willy head (larger inlet valves) or the meg head(larger again) there isnt really a need for larger valves to make good power. A large valve f7p head generally would be re-seated to suit the aforementioned valves,

When i inquired with ben about putting larger valves in my f7r head he said he would only really go for megane ones otherwise its a lot of work for custom (larger still) valves per seat meaning a lot of cash!!

Anyway back on topic dont know a lot about bb tuning but have heard good things about all of the others mentioned (apd, angelworks, hill power and portformance)

Daz.
20-04-2007, 18:30
£800 a head at portformance.

how much extra as a matched inlet?

Dan_mk1
20-04-2007, 19:56
Daz, lets face it, your never gonna go for it, you've been enquiring about stuff since man began :lol:

Daz.
20-04-2007, 20:25
Ahem.... Cnut :lol:

Honestly no i'm doing it but I like to know in advance what I'm looking at cost wise - mind you i might be out of a job next week so everythings on bloody hold for now :cry:

MAXIBOY
21-04-2007, 00:16
£800 a head at portformance.

how much extra as a matched inlet?

no gain too be had on the f7 engines as far as i,m aware.

VIPERONE
21-04-2007, 10:02
buy a ported and polished throttle body off ebay 50 bhp to be had.

LOL

Daz.
21-04-2007, 10:56
buy a ported and polished throttle body off ebay 50 bhp to be had.

LOL

:lol: hmm seen that

u33db
21-04-2007, 13:40
Thinking of getting a gas flowed head from BB Tuning at some point, so just wondering if anyone else had used one on there Valver or Willy and what results were seen :D

Dont bother if its for a 1.8

why????

Well headwork/cams etc is only going to get you max of 160/170 bhp out of a 1.8...if you think paying 1k+ for a 20bhp increase or therabouts then fair enough!

Lee Keefy
21-04-2007, 14:29
Thinking of getting a gas flowed head from BB Tuning at some point, so just wondering if anyone else had used one on there Valver or Willy and what results were seen :D

Dont bother if its for a 1.8

why????

Well headwork/cams etc is only going to get you max of 160/170 bhp out of a 1.8...if you think paying 1k+ for a 20bhp increase or therabouts then fair enough!

but what if you dont want to yank your f7p engine out for example if its a strong low mileage reliable unit to put a 7r engine in,some people dont want to go to the expense of this conversion and sometimes the hassle of buying a problematic lump (it happens!!!) which lets face it with the cost of the lump and fitting is gonna be near on 1k or above to start with for 150bhp!!!

it gets on my nerves that as soon as someone mentions tuning a valver the first response is f7r biased even if thats not relevant,i'm not sayin in any way that thats not a better option but sometimes the pro's outweigh the cons as i've said above :)

MAXIBOY
21-04-2007, 22:14
i prefer the rev happy 1.8.

Jamie.
22-04-2007, 09:23
Daz, lets face it, your never gonna go for it, you've been enquiring about stuff since man began :lol:

PMSL!

Lee Keefy
22-04-2007, 12:22
i prefer the rev happy 1.8.

^^^^^here here :)

Dancliovalver
22-04-2007, 13:10
i had alot of fun with my modded valver, surprised alot of peeps

Had mine done at hillpower, £1300 got me:

port polished and gas-flowed head
piper cams
piper pulleys
cambelt and tensioner kit
alternator belt
cylinderhead gasket set
upgraded my original chip to a stage 2 chip to suit the cams
Engine de-coke
and a few other bits and bobs, including fitting

i didnt think that was too bad :lol:

u33db
22-04-2007, 19:54
but what if you dont want to yank your f7p engine out for example if its a strong low mileage reliable unit to put a 7r engine in,some people dont want to go to the expense of this conversion and sometimes the hassle of buying a problematic lump (it happens!!!) which lets face it with the cost of the lump and fitting is gonna be near on 1k or above to start with for 150bhp!!!

it gets on my nerves that as soon as someone mentions tuning a valver the first response is f7r biased even if thats not relevant,i'm not sayin in any way that thats not a better option but sometimes the pro's outweigh the cons as i've said above :)

Don't know where you get the 1k figure from...dropping a 2ltr in would cost less than 500 if your careful where you go and as long as you don't go daft replacing perfectly servicable bits with new.

I appreciate what your saying r.e the 1.8 but if your going to start messing with an engine i would always start with best value for money. Lets face it, its bee proven countless times that a standard 2ltr will stamp over nearly any modded 1.8 so theres no point trying to reinvent the wheel.

Lee Keefy
22-04-2007, 20:12
but what if you dont want to yank your f7p engine out for example if its a strong low mileage reliable unit to put a 7r engine in,some people dont want to go to the expense of this conversion and sometimes the hassle of buying a problematic lump (it happens!!!) which lets face it with the cost of the lump and fitting is gonna be near on 1k or above to start with for 150bhp!!!

it gets on my nerves that as soon as someone mentions tuning a valver the first response is f7r biased even if thats not relevant,i'm not sayin in any way that thats not a better option but sometimes the pro's outweigh the cons as i've said above :)

Don't know where you get the 1k figure from...dropping a 2ltr in would cost less than 500 if your careful where you go and as long as you don't go daft replacing perfectly servicable bits with new.

I appreciate what your saying r.e the 1.8 but if your going to start messing with an engine i would always start with best value for money. Lets face it, its bee proven countless times that a standard 2ltr will stamp over nearly any modded 1.8 so theres no point trying to reinvent the wheel.

i beg to differ on the modded valver theory,but my point was after the cost of the lump (£4-500ish) then gettin someone to fit it (£4-500) if you cant do it yourself is a risk,for example if the headgasket has gone which you will no doubt know has happened to a known member off here,thats when the 1k budget goes out of the window,

u33db
22-04-2007, 20:19
Each to their own i suppose.

I'm just advising that a 1.8 will never have the same outright NA potential as the 2ltr and is also a fair bit more expensive to get gains from...for me i don't see any payback in going that route.

richy
22-04-2007, 20:29
i never liked the 1.8 16v engines, everyone i had driven was slow and pretty shite tbh, but after fitting this low milage lump in ive changed my mind, love this engine, like how it loves to rev! only one thing is lack of torque low down!

u33db
22-04-2007, 20:33
^^ My RSI will have ya! ;)

richy
22-04-2007, 20:34
lol is that your R5 RSI

u33db
22-04-2007, 20:40
Yep its mine! lol

Not the best looking car on the planet but goes well enough...bottom end isn't too healthy...could be 2ltr time and really give the 16vs a beating lol

:D

richy
22-04-2007, 20:47
yeah 2ltr 8v out of laguna or something! would be well funny! :D

Lee Keefy
22-04-2007, 21:05
Each to their own i suppose.

I'm just advising that a 1.8 will never have the same outright NA potential as the 2ltr and is also a fair bit more expensive to get gains from...for me i don't see any payback in going that route.

i'm not doubting what you say about the 2 litre option,i were just sayin that some people dont want to go to such drastic measures as an engine swap to gain more power,if cams and headwork were used on a decent 1.8 they could always be carried over to a 2.0 when the time arose 8)

MAXIBOY
22-04-2007, 21:11
i think my 1.8 will be quick.

Lee Keefy
22-04-2007, 21:39
i think my 1.8 will be quick.

^^^^my point exactly :lol:

VIPERONE
22-04-2007, 21:57
i think my 1.8 will be quick.

i think yours can be counted as an exception .. whens henk over maxi?

MAXIBOY
22-04-2007, 22:07
aiming for the middle on june at the moment. had a mare with the axle and fuel tank this weekend. ended up drill a few bolts out. tanks back in cars fully waxoyled but still having a job with one seized torsion bar.

nyk
22-04-2007, 23:36
This is an age old debate....

Put a decent exhaust, chip, IK and decat on a valver and you'll get 150 bhp - willy power! The only difference is the willy has a better low down torque, but in my experience they dont light up as much at 4k like a valver does.

Not every one wants to go to the hassle of changing an engine and may have a perfectly good F7P engine that there is no point in changing, EVERY time someone asks a question on this site about tuning a valver everyone comes back with F7R. Its getting a bit tiresome tbh, the guy asked about head tuning and your all going on about engine swapping :roll: