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Coops
22-02-2007, 23:19
Okay am after something a little larger and more comfy to run to work in and since it needs to be economic a diesel it is!

Budget will be around 2-3 grand am hoping so what am i best pluggin for in terms of reliability and comfort?

cheers

Coops

Stoker Willi 1 303
22-02-2007, 23:39
buy a ford fiesta diesel 1997-2000. bout 1000 save the £ for your proper motor. mine costs £5 a week on fuel and never goes wrong it likes some bio fuel too {anythin} mix or not

MatBrown
23-02-2007, 02:14
I have a Cav TD for sale.


Mat.

nyk
23-02-2007, 02:48
Pug 306 1.9 TD

:D

Coops
23-02-2007, 23:18
I have a Cav TD for sale.


Mat.

not a chance! :lol: had 2 cavs n hated em both! :wink:

Swervin_Mervin
24-02-2007, 00:06
Ford and Vauxhall diesels are dog turd. Best bet would be 306/Xsara hdi as they're modern-ish, not too heavy and also handle.

Tullyvernon
24-02-2007, 11:41
Iv a 306 hdi d-turbo to take me to work, gr8 car 50mpg and chiped 120bhp

clowo16v
24-02-2007, 14:11
96-on passat for me my dad had one and it was brilliant. The 110s are pretty quick and when we chipped his it was lots faster. They're comfy as ****, mint stereo, 55mpg on the motorway.

Like this

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-VOLKSWAGEN-PASSAT-SE-TDI-TURBO-DIESEL-50-mpg-NR_W0QQitemZ110093801138QQihZ001QQcategoryZ9873QQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Matt

seanofnp
24-02-2007, 14:46
Im just about to start looking for a TDI passat like that for my taxi. Great cars for the money tbh! + Some fairly cool styling options! (****ing white stripes i gotta have screw it up though)!

seanofnp
24-02-2007, 14:53
Also looking at under bonnet pictures, are passats rwd?

clowo16v
24-02-2007, 15:05
Now fwd but the engine/gearbox is longitudinal.

Matt

Coops
24-02-2007, 18:51
tbh i do quite like the passats. may well have a nosey at a few

clowo16v
24-02-2007, 19:57
Check the front radius arms for any play in the balljoints. Had to do 2 pairs on my dads and as you have to replace the whole radius arm the parts arent that cheap. A motorway car shouldn't have this problem, think its going over speedhumps that damaged em on my dads

Matt

stan
24-02-2007, 20:27
Run it on veggie oil and you'll see some sheap motoring :D

Laine_16v
24-02-2007, 20:28
Sheep motoring eh? :lol:

Must be something they do in wales? :lol:

Andy P
24-02-2007, 20:28
96-on passat for me my dad had one and it was brilliant. The 110s are pretty quick and when we chipped his it was lots faster. They're comfy as f**k, mint stereo, 55mpg on the motorway.

Like this

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/VW-VOLKSWAGEN-PASSAT-SE-TDI-TURBO-DIESEL-50-mpg-NR_W0QQitemZ110093801138QQihZ001QQcategoryZ9873QQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Matt

My old man has had 2 VAG TDI's now and he has never retained 55mpg on the run.

His latest is a 04 Pissrat TDI 4 motion 130. No matter how it is driven or where it is driven he has never had anymore than 39mpg out of it.

The Golf 150 he had was better which was around 45mpg.

And the Pissrat is sloooooow :lol:

stan
24-02-2007, 20:33
cheap :lol:

clowo16v
24-02-2007, 20:46
He must be a wank driver if he's only getting that. My dads also got a 05 sport 130 at the moment, did 41mpg average when he bought it, now does 48-49mpg average.

Definetley not as economical as his old one tho.

Yes they're not mind blowingly fast, but I drove his down to gloucester and back from barnsley, sat in 5 queues for accidents, when moving did 100-110mph all the way and still averaged 43mpg

Matt

DaveH
24-02-2007, 21:14
Check the front radius arms for any play in the balljoints. Had to do 2 pairs on my dads and as you have to replace the whole radius arm the parts arent that cheap. A motorway car shouldn't have this problem, think its going over speedhumps that damaged em on my dads

Matt

There was a recall on the lower bearing arms (straight one which strut bolts to) as they were just poo, nothing to do with driving conditions but you can hear the knock straight away, you could still get them done under warranty if the car had done less than 130k and had been serviced at VAT registered dealer.

The new multi-link suspension (2001 onwards) seems to be much improved. Also if you go for an older passat/A4 1.9tdi the PD unit injection engine is much better than the older mechanical pump engine.

Andy P
25-02-2007, 13:24
He must be a w**k driver if he's only getting that. My dads also got a 05 sport 130 at the moment, did 41mpg average when he bought it, now does 48-49mpg average.

Definetley not as economical as his old one tho.

Yes they're not mind blowingly fast, but I drove his down to gloucester and back from barnsley, sat in 5 queues for accidents, when moving did 100-110mph all the way and still averaged 43mpg

Matt

Wank driver? Yeah i did wonder why he cruised down the M5 in 3rd gear @90mph :roll:

Perhaps being the 4 motion it makes it slightly less economical, but would NEVER retain 55mpg. Even the 80mph constant speed trip to Yorkshire we made at xmas it never read anymore than 39mpg.

Get on the old bio-diesel imo, cant go wrong with that :wink:

stan
25-02-2007, 13:35
vegetable oil is cheaper still !

Andy P
25-02-2007, 13:43
vegetable oil is cheaper still !

I know, 49p per litre to be exact.

Smells like a chinese restaurant on wheels :lol:

stan
25-02-2007, 14:01
39p at Asda i think

you obviously have to add duty to this :wink:

Swervin_Mervin
25-02-2007, 14:46
VAG diesels aren't the most economical by a long way, especially not the old 1.9 units. They're incredibly crude and over-rated. I much prefer the common rail diesels. Less power generally but far superior efficiency and much less of nothing>all>nothing powerband.


And as diesels are about economy and efficiency that makes them the best imo.

DaveH
25-02-2007, 17:23
The new vag common rail engines are the quickest diesels ive ever driven. Granted they are v6's and v8's but they are far superior to the old 2.5 (non common rail) unit which was slow and guzzled. There is a lot to be said for high pressure and also variable vane turbo's have moved things forward a lot.

Agreed the old 1.9 pd (pumpe dose) units are crude, after all they are based on an early 1900's design! They are very reliable though, more so than the newer 16v (2.0tdi) engine as they have a lot of probs with hairline cracks in the head from the factory.

Andy P
25-02-2007, 18:57
39p at Asda i think

you obviously have to add duty to this :wink:

Not down this way :lol:

Asda, Teso, Morrisons are all 54p per litre...Somerfield is about 56p per litre.

Not like id know of anything :roll: :P

DaveH
25-02-2007, 19:05
^^Cost of living down south is just silly lol

stan
25-02-2007, 20:17
:lol:

clowo16v
25-02-2007, 23:16
Just asked my dad and his new passat is now doing 39mpg long term average having dropped from 45mpg. He's not sure why hes doing it hes gonna bung some injector cleaner in see if it makes a difference.

His old one was better then I thought, did 54mpg average, and on a long run would do 60mpg. He was averaging about 550 miles on a tank when thrashing it, 600 miles when driving steady and once did 700 miles on a tank when he went to devon.

Matt

Andy P
26-02-2007, 00:43
Just asked my dad and his new passat is now doing 39mpg long term average having dropped from 45mpg. He's not sure why hes doing it hes gonna bung some injector cleaner in see if it makes a difference.

Matt

Give us a shout if it does. 39mpg is a bit shit really
:lol:
Cheers

clowo16v
26-02-2007, 12:02
It is compared to his old one lol

Matt

Swervin_Mervin
26-02-2007, 14:32
The new vag common rail engines are the quickest diesels ive ever driven. Granted they are v6's and v8's but they are far superior to the old 2.5 (non common rail) unit which was slow and guzzled. There is a lot to be said for high pressure and also variable vane turbo's have moved things forward a lot.

Agreed the old 1.9 pd (pumpe dose) units are crude, after all they are based on an early 1900's design! They are very reliable though, more so than the newer 16v (2.0tdi) engine as they have a lot of probs with hairline cracks in the head from the factory.

I didn't think the new ones were CR Dave? I thought VAG were ignoring industry trends (BMW, PSA etc all went CR) and sticking to their guns with PD?

I thought they'd simply uprated the injection system to allow more squirts per second (tech speak dontcha know!)? I know that's why CR units are more efficient. The injectors are able to be more finely actuated due to teh lower pressures, wheras the PD units use much higher pressures which limits the actuation of their injectors to a greater degree, hence less efficient injection timing.

nyk
26-02-2007, 14:48
That meant fcuk all to me and i didnt understand a word!!! lol

Swervin_Mervin
26-02-2007, 14:53
:lol:

Basically old diesel engines piped fuel to the injectors under high pressure. Becuse it's under high pressure you can only open/close teh injectors a certain number of times due to limitations within the injector.

Common rail feeds the fuel to a high pressure rail, off which each injector is piped. THe pressure isn't as high as a PD system and this allows the injector to be actuated more often which allows finer tuning of the timing by the ecu.

Common rails are limited on the pressures and so generally aren't as powerful, the flip side being they are far more efficient since they aren't throwing fuel in by the spade load. Hence why PD engines are also generally more smoky.

I'm pretty sure the above is true of how each works.

DaveH
26-02-2007, 21:32
Common rail runs much higher fuel pressure than the pd system, try a few thousand psi in the rail and pipes to injectors lol. This is why they can be controlled and fine tuned a lot better than the pd as the injectors are not fired directly from the cams. The pressure is such that i heard of a tech that cracked an injector pipe off to bleed it and the jet went straight thruogh his head :shock: So dont ever do that!

The pd runs low fuel pressure from tank to the back of the head where it feeds a high pressure (tandem pump) thats run off the cam, this feeds directly through the head into tiny galleries that lead to the fuel input of the injector (all inside the cam cover), The injectors are fired by the cams via a rocker shaft so adjustment of duration is fairly limited.

The new smaller vag engines are pd, 1.9 and 2.0tdi but the larger engines (2.7l, 3.0l, 4.2l etc) are all common rail. I think theyve finally seen the light as so far they seem to be very good, and fast too, dont mess lol

david932
26-02-2007, 22:46
seat ibiza cupra, leon cupra 8)

Joel
26-02-2007, 23:12
VAG
VAG
VAG
VAG
VAG

did i say VAG :lol:

richy
26-02-2007, 23:35
to give you an idea the renault K9K(1.5 dci turbo) diesels deliver around 1600bar pressure and using peizo-crystal controlled injectors/new injection systems they can be ran alot more precise and efficent then the old DTI systems, much better on fuel and quite nippy for a 1.5 diesel lol

and as daveH said, never ever crack a pipe off on one of these! its not some shitty old diesel!

oh VAG are shite :wink: lol

Swervin_Mervin
27-02-2007, 00:32
Cheers for the clarification dave.

I used to have a 1.5 dci80 clio. Really impressive engines and you could easily punt it past big stuff on motorways without too much effort. If I needed a small run around I'd have another in a shot.

DaveH
27-02-2007, 00:48
^^My mate has one of these and it really is impressive for what it is, a lot of the manufacturers focus is on diesel technology now and things like the development of the piezo-crystal injectors are evidence of this.

My bro works for Alfa and the 2.0 jtd in the 147 seems to be very good also, any body had any experience with these?