View Full Version : Right with 270,000m i think the williams is due a rebuild.
Stoker Willi 1 303
20-02-2007, 00:26
I am very much wanting to do the trip to the nurbergring and where ever the other members go i guess me and the missus will deffo follow so with no other option than to make sure williams 1 no303 is in perfect condition for traveling i'm guessing it will need a full overhall so i hope i can get a few tips of you guys and gals/nyk {as she replies to everyone :D thats a good thing } and so on, to make sure its all in good form:
with 270,000m i want to know if the bores are sleeved or not so i can replace them?
At the mo i'm prob a 2.2 withe the amount of ring wear on the bores but sod all compression :lol:
if not how much is a replacement short motor from renault {block,pistons crank,big and mains} any1 bought1 before?
if not the short motor, i will be doing the rebuild myself if any 1 can supply me with sleeves,rings, main and big end,thrust washers, oil pump how much r u wanting { all new please} or would you advise buying them parts from renault? i am a mechanic in the trade and same group myself as our renault dealer, so can get good discount on gen renault but can any1 advise after market parts that a just as good for close to the price.
i will be buying gen renault h/gasket set is this worth the money or again is their a good competetor, in quality, so top end is sorted for parts. e.g re-lap the valves in, stems and so on.
Sorry for massive inquiry/read but thought it might show how good these cars are as my engine has never been rebuilt/re-newed as far as history tells me because i have history from 2001-now and also have inqutired/spoken to he reviewer on this car who owned it from 1998*102,000m*-2001 *192,000m*. now is 270,000m :oops: :oops:
Cheers all
Nathan
trust me to be the first one to reply now you've put that!! LOL
All I was gonna say, is I would contact Stan, no doubt he will be able to advise you better than most of us and supply parts etc, a lot cheaper than Renault.
:lol:
Stoker Willi 1 303
20-02-2007, 01:44
l.o.l knew that you would.
your are on the the nbr trip aint ya!
pretty worried about gettin this ready for then, how many spare h'gaskets are you 2 bringin :lol:
have you booked the tunnel yet?
I thought stan would be the man who would come up with the parts, he seems to have everythin for sale :wink:
Hello, from another metric dashboard Williams :) Mine's about 220k kilometres and still on factory gaskets. Who would have believed there could be such a thing as a reliable french hothatch :)
Hello, from another metric dashboard Williams :) Mine's about 220k kilometres and still on factory gaskets. Who would have believed there could be such a thing as a reliable french hothatch :)
:shock: :oops: Need to check my eyes. I read your post as kms, while it was actually miles. Makes it even more incredible mileage. :)
77 01 467 569 ENGINE F7R-700 CL 4413.48
that complete don,t list a short motor
tbh mate.if the bores are fukt, id be tempted to throw a set of + ?? pistons in tbh, will increase capacity a little for ya too lol. altho u could struggle to find a decent head gasket, dependant on how far u take the bores out. i would have thort that possibly a session on the glazebuster and a new set o rings will b fine tho.
rod has sorted me out a few times with cheap bits from reno, star man, but if ur in the trade and get evrything trade, i dare say ud struggle to get better prices from reno if u know wot i mean.
sounds like uv got pretty much evrything covered, refresh up top, same on btm end......shud be good for another 200k miles then ;)
Not sleeved cylinders, no, and you cant really go over-size unless you fit forged pistons. Your not really going to know whats going on til you strip it.
I would maybe sugest do a leak down test first, to give you an idea of whats gan on inside like.
some prices from me:
main shells-£33.37
big end shells-£23.78
piston rings-£69.38
thrust washers-£11.33
btm end set in crank oil seals-£28
headset-£67
headbolts-£13
:shock: 270,000m that means mines still fresh at 114,000 m :lol: i hope
l.o.l knew that you would.
your are on the the nbr trip aint ya!
pretty worried about gettin this ready for then, how many spare h'gaskets are you 2 bringin :lol:
have you booked the tunnel yet?
I thought stan would be the man who would come up with the parts, he seems to have everythin for sale :wink:
PMSL
yeah me an lee will be goin on the nbr trip. havent even thought about what parts we will bring yet, although will be minimal.
European break down cover booklet will be brought to say the least.
LOL
77 01 467 569 ENGINE F7R-700 CL 4413.48
that complete don,t list a short motor
LOL
Just shows you how much of a rip off Renault really are. A brand new willy back in the day was only 14950!!
:roll:
makes bb performance tuning look like a pound shop
makes bb performance tuning look like a pound shop
ROFL
Andyvalver
20-02-2007, 18:26
77 01 467 569 ENGINE F7R-700 CL 4413.48
that complete don,t list a short motor
LOL
Just shows you how much of a rip off Renault really are. A brand new willy back in the day was only 14950!!
:roll:
Sounds ok to me. Thje engine is the best bit Renault built and probably what you pay for as the clio itself is a shitty tin box what rusts easily, yet the engine remains 8)
but bb do this.
http://www.bbperformancetuning.co.uk/products/product.asp?id=76011
and buy the time you get to 4400 you get
Item Each Tax Quantity Total £
Engine Starter build 1,499.00 262.33
1,761.33
Upgrade to Billet Peformance Camshafts 399.00 69.83
468.83
Upgrade to Cam vernier pulley's (Pair) 205.00 35.88
240.88
Upgrade to Custom ECU Re-map and dyno session. 399.00 69.83
468.83
Upgrade to Forged Con-Rods 325.00 56.88
381.88
Upgrade to Gaslowed Cylinder head, Knivedged ports 250.00 43.75
293.75
Upgrade to Lightend / Balanced Knive edged Crankshaft 250.00 43.75
293.75
Upgrade to Wossner Grp.A Forged pistons 450.00 78.75
528.75
Shipping will be added at the Checkout. Total £: 4,438.00
well put it this way then, you can buy a LOT more engine than an F7R for 5K
:lol:
Stoker Willi 1 303
20-02-2007, 23:10
:shock: :shock: :shock: :shock: 5k thats bloody robbery!!
Well i think if you pay that you would of just had your pants taken down, off and folded neatley by the fastests spanker in the renault dearlership.
Yes he would bend you right over!!!!!!!!!!!!
Me i don't think so, i'l stick with the rebuild.
although i do want to keep this motor standard, i quite like the idea of oversized forged pistons but what dimensions do the bores have to be, this may only seem to be directed at stan but any1 with experience of forged pistons would be greatly appreciated.
e.g what cc is the motor available to bore out to, in reliable form please nothin stupid
where do i get the forged pistons from {i'l do a search now but don't know which size to look for} who would supply the rings and h/gasket
Stan good prices mate do you use these parts yourself, renault are gonna get back to me tomo with theirs so i'l let you know!
these are parts i use for my rebuilds...Federal Mogal internals, which are what Renault themselves use albeit re-branded.
as for forged pistons, to be used as an everyday car, the bore clearance may need tweaking to stop excessive variation. sixe wise, i would just go for 83mm (std 82.7mm) to allow for a decent finnish on the bores.
like i said, might be best to do a leak down test to give u an idea of whats what before u even take the engine out like.
Stoker Willi 1 303
22-02-2007, 02:32
will i need forged rods to go with the pistons??
Stoker Willi 1 303
22-02-2007, 02:36
the pistons i want to use are a raised compression ratio (12.5:1) :lol:
No need for the rods, no.
If your running stock cams, I would be more inclined to stick sub 11:1, and have a remap also.
Stoker Willi 1 303
22-02-2007, 14:54
found some 11-1 on k-tec @ £500 comes with rings and gudgeon pins. any good or can't you comment, any other reputable comps to choose from, bb just have the 12.5-1 :( so no club discount if i'm buyin from k-tec :(
And before an1 says you hav to be a paid member to get that, I AM it just ain't workin. :wink: :wink:
I can supply you forged pistons any bore any Cr upto 84mm in 0.5mm increments, for £450 inc vat
Clio_GTT
22-02-2007, 18:15
I can supply you forged pistons any bore any Cr upto 84mm in 0.5mm increments, for £450 inc vat
Stan how much would a rebuild cost in parts ? and could you rebuild an F7P upto F7R spec with a diesel crank and 83mm pistons?
not really as the amount of worked involved in making it clear would be prohibitive
Stoker Willi 1 303
22-02-2007, 23:20
do them pistons come with pins and rings too! what make are they! might just get the whole lot off you be easier and get the 1-1 basis if i hit any probs but sure everythin will go fine. :)
i,d say yes. most new pistons come with rings and pins
Stoker Willi 1 303
22-02-2007, 23:43
hey maxiboy what pistons you runnin in the green machine, don't know the spec on that but seen the pics of the motor out. i think thats your motor ain't it.
BigBoreBri
22-02-2007, 23:50
I can supply you forged pistons any bore any Cr upto 84mm in 0.5mm increments, for £450 inc vat
Stan how much would a rebuild cost in parts ? and could you rebuild an F7P upto F7R spec with a diesel crank and 83mm pistons?
Lots and lots of work to do that... not worth hasstle for getting an F7R block
running low compression forged pistons in the green machine. 8.5 to 1.
Stoker Willi 1 303
23-02-2007, 00:24
ahaa a big juicy TURBO then! :shock: :shock: 2l or 1.8
where from? {manufacture}
it,s a 1.8 litre as it revs better. ideal for a turbo lump. the kit is a modified bb performance tuning kit. under going it,s final rebuild at the moment. back in a month hopefully
They are Iapel...good quality pistons, using ex-Mahle tooling. yup, inc rings and pins.
Stoker Willi 1 303
23-02-2007, 01:57
are these the ones with the pretty nipples in the centre of them.
at a later date i actually may want to fit a set of cams nothing too radical jus mid/ fast roadish spec not the daddy1ns so i can at least still idle somewhere between 700-2g :D
do you supply a set of cams that may complement these pistons i imagine a set of adj pulleys will then be needed!
This may be more expensive than i thought bt uah well its gonna get a rebuild so i might as well give her some shiney new bits eh. :lol:
will this still be reliable enough to do long trips and so on i actually still want to go to the ring and travel around europe in it even if the other jock-straps have backed out! not the 1ns with reasons jus the berti bull****ers. :wink:
Forum banter no offense!! we should get it back on.
Stoker Willi 1 303
23-02-2007, 02:07
and hooliagan yours is still bedding in :lol: :lol: at that miles
Yup, I can sort you out with anything lol!
cams, pistons, rods, etc throttle bodies, ecu's blah blah!!
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