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Flan
31-01-2007, 14:01
Now i recon for 3k you could easily build either...

Rwd Clio using 200sx running gear at approx 280bhp

Or for a little more 4wd with Pulsar GTIR running gear and 320bhp

But with 4wd it would loose power to the wheels but of the line be very fast. But the rwd would be funny as although with the weelbase so short would it be stupid.

Any ideas. Also how much would you buy a car that had thoes kind of modifications. I'd hate to build one and everyone hate it :roll:

I should really keep my ideas in my head... :lol:

Lee Keefy
31-01-2007, 14:05
i'd go 4wd personally,most systems are 60/40 split to the rear anyway so tail out action would still be on the cards..

as for hating it,how can you hate anything that small and light with 280+bhp :lol: :lol: :lol:

northy
31-01-2007, 14:06
sack all them off and build a twin F7R engined one done well with space frame ! All custom rear suspension !

But i would do rear wheel drive...a pulsar isnt far off lightly tunned williams pace from what ive seen of martins 1/4miling videos.

McPikie
31-01-2007, 14:07
But a 200sx drive train wouldn't just fit underneath

You've have to get a prop shaft fabricated, which I doubt would be cheap.

I'd go 4wd anyways

J o n
31-01-2007, 14:16
4WD all the way, like you say the wheelbase is too small.

Flan
31-01-2007, 14:23
Yer a std pulsar aint that fast but with 350 there quite nippy. Rwd would obviously be cheaper. Just need to fabricage a gearbox tunnel and rear dif ect. Propsaft would be the std 200sx shortened and cost about £40 from Proppro so not bad. I just think over 260bhp is too much for fwd.

What is the wheelbase and width on a std Clio :wink:

J o n
31-01-2007, 14:24
What is the wheelbase and width on a std Clio :wink:

not long or wide enough whatever it is... prolly why the V6 feels so shite lol

Winston
31-01-2007, 14:25
RWD or twin engined :D

clowo16v
31-01-2007, 14:27
Just build a Satria Evo much faster and cheaper lol

Matt

Chris n`nic
31-01-2007, 14:30
sack all them off and build a twin F7R engined one done well with space frame ! All custom rear suspension !

But i would do rear wheel drive...a pulsar isnt far off lightly tunned williams pace from what ive seen of martins 1/4miling videos.]

But imagine how fast marts would have been with similar weight but 250+ bhp and 4wd. 4wd all the way for me...proper point and squirt.

Chris

Flan
31-01-2007, 16:03
yer but with the 4x4 you will loose allot of power but im sure a fully stripped Clio with pulsar 4x4 running gear would be less than 950kg.

the only tricky bit is where the shaft comes out the box to the rear diff...

im sure it will foul the steering rack. :roll:

jay s
31-01-2007, 16:06
if money was no object id get a skyline lump put in the back powering the rear wheels, until then i'll just dream :roll:

Flan
31-01-2007, 16:16
if money was no object id get a skyline lump put in the back powering the rear wheels, until then i'll just dream :roll:

money no object id use a RS4 lump. lol

Anyway...

Pulsar spec

Dimensions, Weight & Performance
Length/Width/Height - 3975/1690/1410 mm
Wheelbase - 2430 mm
Tread front/rear - 1440/1415 mm
Kerb weight - 1220kg for GTI-RA (Road Edition), 1190kg for GTI-RB (rally Edition)
Seating capacity - 5 (really 4)
Minimum turning radius - 5.2 m
Maximum speed - 223 kph+
Acceleration - 0-100 kph - 5.4 sec
Acceleration - 0-400 meters - 13.9 sec
Coefficent of drag - 0.39
Ground Clearance - 150 mm


Mechanical Features
Engine model - SR20DET
Engine type - Turbocharged, in line 4 DOHC, 16 valves with intercooler
Displacement - 1998 cc
Max power output - 227/6400 ps/rpm
Max torque - 27.2/4800 kgm/rpm
Bore & stroke - 86 x 86 mm
Compression ratio - 8.3:1
Turbo - Garret TB2804 (T3/T25 combination -> Compressor = 60mm, 60 trim in .60A/R -> Turbine = 53mm, 79 trim in .86A/R)
Control system - Electronic port injection
Transmission - type 5-speed manual

VIPERONE
31-01-2007, 17:04
twin engined willy is German i think, i have
a picture of it some where

Martin
31-01-2007, 17:09
4wd would be best I think rwd would be toss.....300 bhp and stripped to nothing would be evil!

Flan
31-01-2007, 18:14
Not a fan of twinned engines, Cant see the point in adding all that weight and if there not set up exactly the same they work against eachother... :roll:

plus it would cost more :lol: and.... it would not be a sleeper :P

J o n
31-01-2007, 18:20
what about an Evo engined Escort drive train powered 4WD beasty? that's gotta be do-able if not a tad expensive?

Swervin_Mervin
31-01-2007, 19:19
RWD on a short wheelbase would be interesting!

personally I'd have though 4wd would suit better.

Clio_GTT
31-01-2007, 19:23
RWD on a short wheelbase would be interesting!

personally I'd have though 4wd would suit better.

interesting to say the least, but very very fast in a straight line

elise isn't exactly long though and that manages fine

Matt_16v
31-01-2007, 19:32
RWD



DOOOOOOOO IT! :twisted:

Martin
31-01-2007, 19:41
RWD on a short wheelbase would be interesting!

personally I'd have though 4wd would suit better.

interesting to say the least, but very very fast in a straight line

elise isn't exactly long though and that manages fine

I think there is bit of a difference between a finely tuned/engineered sports car and hooking rwd in a valver and hoping for the best :wink:

Clio_GTT
31-01-2007, 19:42
RWD on a short wheelbase would be interesting!

personally I'd have though 4wd would suit better.

interesting to say the least, but very very fast in a straight line

elise isn't exactly long though and that manages fine

I think there is bit of a difference between a finely tuned/engineered sports car and hooking rwd in a valver and hoping for the best :wink:

:lol: you might just be right there :D

i was on about the wheelbase though, not the handling :D

J o n
31-01-2007, 19:53
it's longer and wider than a willy though and 50/50 weight distribution... mid engine mounted too... would sruggle to do all that in a williams and still have room to put a driver in it! lol

Coops
31-01-2007, 21:14
guy on clio16valver's mate is building a rwd mk1 with a clio V6 engine mounted in the arse of it, watch what happens then decide! :wink:

BenR
31-01-2007, 21:40
GTiR gearbox will see you pulling your hair out.

Its ****ing rubbish.

Daz.
31-01-2007, 21:49
OOOO I love it when he has these ideas of his... :D

RWD for me - get me a quote :wink:

mr.valver
31-01-2007, 22:11
me Enzo powered 4wd clio isn't bad! :roll:

Not so good in the wet ! :twisted:

Justin..
31-01-2007, 22:16
hmm, i'd go a space frame chassis with 4WD 8) lift off GRP shell :P

Justin..
31-01-2007, 22:17
hmm, i'd go a space frame chassis with 4WD 8) lift off GRP shell :P


edit !


Maxi shell :shock: Oh yeah 8)

david932
31-01-2007, 22:50
4wd all the way..

rear would give shite handling, not enough overhang at the back/enough weight over the rear wheels

david932
31-01-2007, 22:52
oops :oops: :oops:

sorry :oops: i ment sh*te

SAVE THE EDIT!

BenR
31-01-2007, 23:20
I hope on some of the assumptions said, that we all think the clio v6 is a pile o wank and about as uncool as you can get?

And someone had better tell these lads that their front engines, RWD, short wheelbase cars handle crap.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef_peGLtRqE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPD-amL2DLc

Justin..
31-01-2007, 23:42
its all about control 8)

Daz.
31-01-2007, 23:46
I like the V6!

Daz.
31-01-2007, 23:50
Infact what program is that first one? I recosgnise it - I have somewhere on an old hard drive some good movies of them testing an nsx against some real exotics 8)

BenR
01-02-2007, 00:13
best motoring/hot version etc etc.

Purple
01-02-2007, 05:38
Good old days :-) Nice souped-up Starlets, BenR. Toyota ruined them when they switched to FWD.

BenR
01-02-2007, 13:29
That along with the corolla and celica (original celica, not the POS AWD things).

clowo16v
01-02-2007, 13:37
RWD Starlets are ace, sooooo cheap to modify aswell. They're well expensive now tho cos all the roundy round hot rod racers have used em up.

Matt

Flan
01-02-2007, 15:20
Didn't know they did a rwd Starlet.

Rwd Clio would be the same wheelbase as a Kit car plus with lsd would be cool. It would be twitchy but funny as hell :lol:

Plus if you don't try you'll never know.

I fancied the GTIR coz there penuts for powere BUT as ben said the box is worse than the clio. But would that be the same in a Lighter car. surely it would be under less force.

or are they really really crap :lol:

Zollo
01-02-2007, 15:30
I'd say rear-drive. Lighter, slightly better balanced, less power loss and less for the front wheels to deal with 8)

Plus much more oversteer :twisted:

J o n
01-02-2007, 15:34
you talking front engine RWD though?

Zollo
01-02-2007, 15:44
Aye. That's what I presumed Flan was on about. But a 4WD setup would mean the engine being transversely-mounted and require more running gear up front, putting more weight over the front wheels than a longitude-mounted lump with no driveshafts etc at the front. Hence the better balance.... I'm guessing!

BenR
01-02-2007, 16:02
Just crap.

Weight has an influence, but its the torque shocks which bend the shafts and knock gears out.


Didn't know they did a rwd Starlet.

Rwd Clio would be the same wheelbase as a Kit car plus with lsd would be cool. It would be twitchy but funny as hell :lol:

Plus if you don't try you'll never know.

I fancied the GTIR coz there penuts for powere BUT as ben said the box is worse than the clio. But would that be the same in a Lighter car. surely it would be under less force.

or are they really really crap :lol:

J o n
01-02-2007, 16:23
you tuning guru's deffo need to do something like this, ideally get an Evo engine in there or better yet an STI Scooby engine as the noise they make is pure sex wee.

BenR
01-02-2007, 19:00
i dont even have the time to do an oil change on my car yet alone build something fancy for the hell of it.

Flan
01-02-2007, 20:09
i dont even have the time to do an oil change on my car yet alone build something fancy for the hell of it.

If only you did.... BUT if someone brought you a large sum of money and a clio and said." i have this clio i want something different thats not fwd" what would you do...

:D

BenR
01-02-2007, 20:59
Probably decline.

I'm not going to tout for jobs that i know i full well cant do to a level that i would be happy with. I'm not a fabricator, so hacking apart a car isnt something i enjoy the thought of.

Sure i could design the IRS system, but i'd have to contract in a fabrictor to build the damn thing, which would be far too expensive.

Not my thing sadly, but it would be fun yea.

Rear of a clio is floppy as anything though, so you'd have to build the biggest bastard of a cage to tie it all up.

DaveH
01-02-2007, 22:14
4wd imo, dont think youd feel the power losses as much with a car that light. Also id only go rwd if the engine was rear mounted, more weight over driven wheels :wink:

Joel
02-02-2007, 00:53
4 x 4 imo.

matt uk
02-02-2007, 01:30
just buy a pulsar??????
and strip it

why oh why would you put that lovelly engine in a clio???????

there only 1200kg standard

you can lose aircon,straight away which is over 40kg all in all

door card, seats etc and i bet you could see 1075kg maybe less


or even still buy a pulsar DAKAR version, there already lightweight

1100kg standard i think

Scougar
01-03-2007, 00:37
Just seen this post.

Your main prob using a sr20det RWD (200sx s14/s14a/s15 and some import kps13's) would be the sheer size of the thing. You would need some serious work to the bulk head to get it all in, most of that being the gearbox. The drive shaft is here nor there, as you can get it shortened to anylength you want. The s14's come with an LSD as standard (viscous I think) and include a diff cooler :) You can pick up older s14s for very cheap nowadays.

The 200sx gearbox will reliably take about 350bhp, although some have been running 450bhp+, thrash the crap outta them (UK D1 drift) and still have no problems with the regular box's (such is life). The standard engine has 197 bhp (or ps can't remember which), at about 10 psi, but in 1st and 2nd with the solinoid it's about 7psi). As standard it is 'safe' to take them to about 12-13psi but then you want to think about uprating components. With the right parts 280 is VERY easy to achieve, on 555's + management your talking about 320-400bhp depending on the turbo you go with.

The great thing about sr20det is they are very easy to work with and very reliable if treated right, although prone to VVT (NVCS) rattling at start up (lack of oil). Won't affect performance, just irrating to listen to until you get some oil pressure to the nvcs.

Could waffle for a while..

Matthew

Scougar
01-03-2007, 00:42
Just to clarify "uprating components" in above post means NOT touching engine internals as the standard items can take a lot of abuse, but uprating to colder plugs, different intercooler, uprated ecu etc (talk to Jez @ horsham developments as they do very good mapped to spec ecu's for a very good price).

Matthew

ash clio gtt
01-03-2007, 21:50
rear engined, rwd makes for very fast 0-60 times. scoff on rtoc did a 3.9 0-60 with a 200bhp c1j engine in the back of a r5gtt