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I've just had new springs fitted, as both had snapped (about 30mm off the bottom of both sides). The problem is, it now has a ride height an SUV would be proud of.
Has anybody else had new springs fitted and suffered with this? If so, is it just becaue they need to bed-in and will lower in time? And does anyone know how long it will take roughly, if this is the case, as it's rather embarassing driving around as it is :oops:
I saw the springs before they went in, and they didn't have the white mark, which I thought they're supposed to have? They cost £60 for the pair. Have I even got the right springs in there?
Help please! :(
I had two new original springs on the front of mine and the ride height didn't appear to change, well not that I noticed anway.
well if your old springs had snapped i guess they were lower anyways, so your probably at normal ride hight now !
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althought when the spring snapped on mine i lowered it anyway :)
MatBrown
08-05-2005, 18:59
£60 for the pair sounds too cheap for them to be the right springs, they should be £70 each.
Mat.
KingStromba
08-05-2005, 19:01
Yeah they should be circa £160 the pair and the ride hight on mine satyed the same when i changes broken for new.
They are £80 each for the williams springs...
Im guessing they are not genuine.
You will of course be at a higher ride height and they will take a little while to bed in, shouldn't be to long though no more than 200 miles or so i would say.
give it a while if ure not happy go back to um i guess.
60quid for the pair... definately not the genuine springs then mate... they should be painted black with two white paint marks on them... each spring will also have a renault paper label tag thing stuck to them with part number and manufacture information on it... all in french of course.
Cheers for your help guys.
The guy fitting reckons my car may have been lowered before, but I reckon otherwise. Ride height was 300mm from arch to wheel centre and now it's 345mm.
He's going to contact the suppliers and see what they say, but I can guess the response!
I've just been quoted £89 plus VAT each, for genuine ones from Renault. Fookin' 'ell :shock:
Changing springs, how hard can it be.
KingStromba
09-05-2005, 13:09
Mark Ritchspeed does custom springs alot cheaper to any setting.
Ask him to make some to the same tolerance as the oringinal reno ones. Et voila. Probably save you £100
Ahhhhh, good idea. Cheers Stromba :D
i think mark was charging 116 including vat and delivery correct me if im wrong you just tell him the height and poundage u want.
Mark_Ritchspeed
09-05-2005, 18:04
£115 including delivery. These are for one off poundage and ride height. If their was enough call for say 3-4 sets of the same height/poundage I can probably get that down to around £105 for the pair delivered.
Remember though ,these are custom made, so expect a turnaround of up to 3 weeks between ordering and delivery.
I just have to work out a way of persuading the supplier that they have given the garage the wrong springs and I'll have a set of those springs then. A picture of my car should be enough proof :roll:
Is there 2 or 3 other Willy owners that fancy buying some std spec springs from Mark?!
Cheers for the help people.
KingStromba
09-05-2005, 20:47
If those springs are right tell them ill have 10 sets :roll:
Before shooting the spring supplier down in flames, I'd like to be 100% sure they've given me the wrong specification of spring.
So, does anybody know....
1. The Free Length of the standard Williams spring and the standard poundage.
2. The standard front ride height, measured from the centre of the wheel to the wheel arch.
Cheers
Mark_Ritchspeed
13-05-2005, 17:47
Standard poundage is 125lbs. Will let you know on free height.
Right, well even with your springs it isn't right Mark, as it still sits too high. Your springs had one less coil on than the wrong pattern ones and it has dropped 10mm, to 335mm between arch and wheel centre, so it's definately better than before. But still I get vague handling and a rear-view mirror full of road. And it still looks stupid!
Perhaps the shocks are wrong? Am I being think? Is there anything else on the car that effects ride height other than the springs?!
should look like this at the front...standard new springs when i first got it.
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y107/northy_com/DSCF0097.jpg
Oh how I wish it looked like that :( .
Here's a pic of it with the pattern springs on...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/Zollo/Wheel.jpg
Haven't got a digicam with me to take one with Mark's springs on. But do shortly....
New springs....
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/Zollo/IMG_3223.jpg
Thats way out fella :shock: ....just got in from lowering mine. 270mm to arch.
http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/4788/lowered1xh.jpg
Is any lower on the new springs? Hard to tell...
Yeah, thanks for that mate, looks very nice!
It doesn't look that different in the photo, but it definately is a bit lower. 10mm lower in fact. Plus I've got 185 55s which fill the arches more than the 195 50s.
I just want it standard, surely that's not too much to ask?! :(
do they have two white dots of paint on ?
Also check the struts and bumpstops to ensure they are right.
270mm sounds right...winston knows the exact dimensions of mine.
P.S my rear is lowered one spline (30mm)
them new springs never been right lol, mine has new springs and theres about a 15mm gap at most from tyre to arch!
They don't have the paint dots, because they were custom ones that Mark got made up for me.
It's not 270mm, it's 335mm mate. Before I changed the front springs it was 300mm. That was a bit low admitedly, because the springs were snapped, but still, a 35mm raise from new springs?
pm winston mate - he will tell u what mine are.
According to a previous post I've found, yours is 300mm from arch to centre of wheel at the front. :D
try some of the 172 boys on "the other site", i heard a rumor from j3ned that 172 front springs are identical to willy ones (same part number too)
loads of 2nd hand sets of springs knocking about
Mark_Ritchspeed
09-07-2005, 09:34
Matt, it must be the shocks that are wrong then. Something on the car is making the springs sit too high as even my car sits lower than that with a 20mm ride height increase.
I really wouldnt bother with another set of springs as the new ones will definitely be the right ride height, although there is some settling in period where the springs can settle another 5mm or so, but that is way too high.
Maybe the struts are 16v ones? Can you see the part numbers on the struts?
Incidentally 172 springs are identical to Willy springs on the front.
No, I definately won't be trying another set of springs. I know it can't be your ones. That would be ideal if all it needed was new shocks, as I wanted to change them anyway. Would the shocks really effect the ride height that much though? I thought it was just the springs that dictated RH? Even 16v shocks wouldn't make it sit that high?
And why would it be ok with the old springs (which must have been on for a long time) if the shocks are wrong?
What I don't want is to spend £160 on new shocks and it still be like it is :x
Mark_Ritchspeed
09-07-2005, 18:06
Maybe, the old springs were lowered enough to give it a standard ride height. Can you see the part numbers on the shocks?
If we can establish wether the shocks are the correct ones its a start.
Urgh. Right, after realising I don't have a jack, and borrowing my girlfriends one, and then realising my brace is missing the t-bar and having to go around my parents to borrow one, I finally managed to take the wheels off and clean the shocks enough to read these....
On the rubber sheath that surrounds the shock rod (or rather should cover it, it's split and perished) there is the number - 6001025837.
On the actually shock, there is lots of random stuff -
APA - KYB
7 700 838 095
6304 100-0816
53415
RENAULT AV BR
And that's it. They look pretty old and original. And the letters KYB would indicate they are Williams ones wouldn't they?
LotuzClioWilliams
09-07-2005, 19:39
7 700 838 095
Correct part number.
Soooooo, next suggestion anyone?! :?
daft as it sounds have u fitted the rubber donuts on the right way round? not upside down are they, the donuts at top of springs because if wrong your ride height will be way off!! ive seen it done lol
Ta guys. Will check the ARB and doughnuts asap. That's a good shout Richy cheers :D
Well, the doughnuts looked to be the right way round. Fit right up to the top of the turrets, up tight in the raised section.
Not sure how the ARB would effect the ride height? Mind eleborating Purplesun?
2 weeks to go before Anglesey.... :? . Anyone fancy letting me use their car for a small sum?
the only thign that determines ride height is the springs! unless as said u have the donuts upside down or do have the wrong shockers for the car which seem ok by part number!
Nah, I'm pretty sure the donuts are in right. The curved side, kind of like a dome with the top cut off, is at the top, up against the turret. Then the bottom part is smaller and straight and butts up against the shocker. That's right isn't it?
Something's wrong, that's for sure. :(
:? would good to investigate yours and another williams at the same time would get to the bottom of it....
LotuzClioWilliams
14-07-2005, 18:57
So who lives nearby Zollo and is willing to have one of his struts removed for comparison?
I'd be willing to travel. I need someone who knows these cars inside n out and has another to compare / swap parts with really. Any offers? :D
anyone got any pics fo the struts built up so zollo can be 100% sure he has the donut on correct??
i have some spare std william springs off mine if u really needed to, could take them angelsey and if got tools swap them etc
Mark_Ritchspeed
15-07-2005, 10:36
Just had a thought. Measure the freestanding height of the springs that have just come off and get Richy to measure his springs as well. See if the springs are the same height?
37.5mm from base to highest point.
mine are about 31cm , not 100% accurate but its a big difference over yours!
Reading that again, I should have put 37.5 CM, not MM :roll:
Cheers Richy. Yeah, that's a pretty big difference. Will have to take my new ones out (again!) and measure those ones.
Mark, your springs measure 33cm from tip to tip, as opposed to 37cm for my old ones. But only give a 10mm drop :? . According to Richy, standard ones are 31.5cm, so there's not much in it.
My mate has just un-done and re-done the lower arms with someone pushing down on the car at the same time. It has lowered it another 5mm!
Still looks and drives ****ing crap!
Mark_Ritchspeed
19-07-2005, 18:30
Let me measure mine tomorrow although being harder poundage will have a higher freestanding height anyway, but should give an idea.
Richy, were the springs you measured older ones? If so I would expect a slight bit of compression in the spring after a while.
Either way Matt your still coming to Anglessey arent you? If so then I can bring some old top mounts etc that I know are proper Willy ones so we can at least check their ok.
Yeah, I'll still be coming to Anglesey. But I'm not too keen on bringing the Willy to be honest. It wouldn't be at all enjoyable around the track. As an example of how bad it is, the replacement may be an N reg Mondeo :P
Oh, my dad is getting someone at Renault to measure a standard spring! Should have the result of that tomorrow. What I don't understand is, the spring you supplied is 40mm shorter than the old one, but only dropped the car 5-10mm. Even if a Renault springs are lower than yours, it'd have to be vastly different to get a 30mm drop.
It's as though the wrong springs have stretched the dampers out and they're not going back down, even with the right ones :shock:
yes there the orginal ones i measured 10year old etc
btw mark u heard anythign about mine?
According to Renault there are various different types of springs for the Williams. Different poundages and different lengths. There's loads of spring options on the parts list, and depending on what is on the car (according to colour coding), that's what should go on. So I need to know what colour springs were on my car originally, which I obviously don't cos they're in the bin.
That's according to a couple dealers. Not so sure myself. Anyone disagree with these parts men?
I'm getting ****ed off with this :x
williams springs should have two white dots on.
If i was u i would cut my losses with the standard front springs and splash out on a set of coilovers.
U can then set the ride height yourself and enjoy the benfits of quicker rebound rates.
What do you think I am, made of money?! Anyway, standard (if only) is best :wink:
I will not give up :P
lol...how many spring have u tried now mate....heehee
lol...how many spring have u tried now mate....heehee
Just the two so far mate. Clearly not enough, so I have a plan.....
For anyone who is interested, genuine Renault springs are 31cm long, according to Renault. :)
For anyone who is interested, genuine Renault springs are 31cm long, according to Renault. :)
said my std ones was about that give or take the rust lol
:o Solved :o
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y204/Zollo/IMG_1794.jpg
Much better - just put Richy's old springs on. Will be ordering springs n shocks from Renault next week :D
sorted! just like normal now!!!!!! :D
Nice one :D
I see why you want the orange repeaters....original :D (just checking you still want them lol)
Yep, definately still want them! Fog lights back on next, and then it's a 100% original exterior :D
Anyone who wants to swap their some fog lights for some black wire mesh that fits in the gaps nicely.... just let me know :P
How about you give me the mesh and buy your own fogs?? :wink:
I HAVE PART ON 7700817986 FOR FRONT SPRINGS FOR A CLIO 16V WITH 2 WHITE LINES ON SPRINGS COST £164 ROBBERS
IS THIS RIGHT?
GET BACK SOON
ALSO SHALL I JUST GET THE TOP MOUNTS AS WELL HAVE ALREADY CHANGED THE ANTI ROLL LINKS
I HAVE PART ON 7700817986 FOR FRONT SPRINGS FOR A CLIO 16V WITH 2 WHITE LINES ON SPRINGS COST £164 ROBBERS
IS THIS RIGHT?
GET BACK SOON
ALSO SHALL I JUST GET THE TOP MOUNTS AS WELL HAVE ALREADY CHANGED THE ANTI ROLL LINKS
The two white dots sounds right, and so does the price, but not sure about the Clio 16v bit. Should be specifically for Williams I'd have thought.
The top mounts come as part of a kit from Renault - £60 for the pair.
How about you give me the mesh and buy your own fogs?? :wink:
Sorry mate, only just notice that. Don't suppose you need them now anyway!
THE BORG SHOCKS THAT ARE SOLD AT GSF ARE THEY OK FOR A 16V..
I NO BORG ARE OK BUT ARE THEY ANY GOOD FOR THE CLIO?
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