OIL ADVICE

[evouk]

Hi all,

What oil do you think i should run in my clio cup car, its a mk1 1.8 16v that has been blueprinted etc?

Cheers

[Lunner]

5W40 Silkoline Race Oil

Run at a constant 120 deg oil temps on motorway and at 80 mph get 4 bar oil pressure

[MattyH16valver]

Yep as above...v good oil...been using it for a couple of years now.

[evouk]

cheers

need to get some today but dont think halfords will stock this!!!

Any alternative for a few weeks?

[Rich]

if its from halfords it will have to be mobil 1.dont get magnatec as people who have used it apart from a rare few say it makes the car run like shit!

[Lunner]

I use either teh above, or when i need it soomish i use 5W40 helix, bit more expensive and IMO not as good, but advantage is 99% of shell garages sell it

I get mine from opie oils, WC members get a discount 8)

[MattyH16valver]

http://www.opieoils.co.uk/performance_lubricants/silkolene.aspx
There u go m8 :D

[evouk]

yeah thats the guy i get mine from for my last few cars...........

just ordered some silkolene

[evouk]

http://www.williamsclio.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?t=18141

[James_R]

I've always just run 10w-40 semi and run 95-100 deg oil temps, no need for flashy oil that way.

I did swap to 10-50 for a while, but didn't notice any benifit and it was costing £25+VAt a tub rather than 11 (total 7000 or helix 10-40)

provided you keep the temps stable then the oil you use isn't such a big issue.

[richy]

ive just put elf evolution 5w30 in my valver, its quiet as a mouse, not really had chance to drive it hard to see temps, but i do have a dodgy sensor too!

[16v_russ]

i ran my old hybrid on shell 10w 40 and 5 w 30 and it was fine

[mon]

ive just put elf evolution 5w30 in my valver, its quiet as a mouse, not really had chance to drive it hard to see temps, but i do have a dodgy sensor too!


that oil is way to thin will be like water when hot .. that oil is for newer ford engines .. you will fock your engine up . semi 10-40 is the standard oil for willy and 16v any very good 10-40 ie shell helex or valvoline . and max life is even better had this in mine about a year ago and i burned less and i have a low miles engine..

[BRUN]

as above, 5W-30 isnt really the correct grade to be putting into these old engines

5W-30 is only really used for Ford Zetecs, and some of the latest VW diesel engines

[Lee Keefy]

tried a few oils in nyks car,mobil 1 0-40 is what we use,it keeps it quiet,

oil temp creeps up to 80 degs on motorway,never been over 100 degs even stuck in jams with the fan in and it doesn't lose anything,

my 1.8 16v engine has just been rebuilt and fettled by R E and will be having some as soon as its run in!!!!!!!!!

:D

[Purple]

IMHO, I don't think there's much wear difference these days between 30 and 40 grades for the newer ACEA/API classifications when running below 120C. I stick with 40 grade more for peace of mind than any technical reasons, though 30 grade does spin up the engine faster. In fact, some of the go-fast drivers these days are switching to the latest 20 grades for new Jap engines. And, AFAIK, they have nothing bad to report yet.

Don't know much about W classifications as my clio don't see winter temperatures. Though I would probably choose the smaller W number, the colder it gets.

Here's a table for the 2004 API classification (should be SL, I think)
http://www.infineum.com/information/api-viscosity-2004.html

ACEA classification in PDF:
http://www.infineum.com/information/gaseng2004.pdf

[Purple]

One more thing. A good reason NOT to put thin oil into old engines is not so much of technical design but the condition of the engine. With the thinner viscosity, it usually encourages the driver to spin up the engine more often than with thicker viscosity, and coupled with a not too well-maintained engine, it would just accelerate the engine failure. It's the some reason why engine mods should only be done to healthy engines, and that the mods always get blamed for killing the engine.

[mon]

tried a few oils in nyks car,mobil 1 0-40 is what we use,it keeps it quiet,

oil temp creeps up to 80 degs on motorway,never been over 100 degs even stuck in jams with the fan in and it doesn't lose anything,

my 1.8 16v engine has just been rebuilt and fettled by R E and will be having some as soon as its run in!!!!!!!!!

:D

i had that in my first ciol sounded like there was no oil in it on hot day i swaped it for 10-40 valvoline

[richy]

ive just put elf evolution 5w30 in my valver, its quiet as a mouse, not really had chance to drive it hard to see temps, but i do have a dodgy sensor too!


that oil is way to thin will be like water when hot .. that oil is for newer ford engines .. you will fock your engine up . semi 10-40 is the standard oil for willy and 16v any very good 10-40 ie shell helex or valvoline . and max life is even better had this in mine about a year ago and i burned less and i have a low miles engine..

ive used 5w30 loads before and never had a problem!

[richy]

oh and the engine has only done 25k ish, runs sweet as!

[Lee Keefy]

tried a few oils in nyks car,mobil 1 0-40 is what we use,it keeps it quiet,

oil temp creeps up to 80 degs on motorway,never been over 100 degs even stuck in jams with the fan in and it doesn't lose anything,

my 1.8 16v engine has just been rebuilt and fettled by R E and will be having some as soon as its run in!!!!!!!!!

:D

i had that in my first ciol sounded like there was no oil in it on hot day i swaped it for 10-40 valvoline

it sounds like different people like different oils,

i used valvoline in escort and fiesta turbo engines i'd rebuilt cos they didn't like mobil 1,

suppose different engines behave differently to different things,

i was just offerin my input on past experiences,

maybe my rebuilt engine will sound like a bag of spanners with mobil 1 in,only time will tell :D

[nyk]

as above I've tried just about everything in my car. My personal perference is the Mobil 1 as it keeps the temps low and it doesnt burn hardly any oil off. Plus I dont get any tappety noise on start up, prob something to do with the millions of pounds mobil have spent on developing the oil and the advanced coating it gives the engine parts.

Worth every penny IMO.

The quality of oil you use determines the life of your engine, not something I want to skint on anyways.

[Laine_16v]

Nyk you use 0W-40?

[mon]

oh and the engine has only done 25k ish, runs sweet as!

original engine ?

[nyk]

Nyk you use 0W-40?

Yep. Mobil 1- 0W 40.

I tried loads, the only stuff that I would say came close to it was the 10-40 from GSF, cant remember the name of it. It was OK, but burnt off a lot quicker than the mobil 1.

[mon]

Nyk you use 0W-40?

Yep. Mobil 1- 0W 40.

I tried loads, the only stuff that I would say came close to it was the 10-40 from GSF, cant remember the name of it. It was OK, but burnt off a lot quicker than the mobil 1.


thats the one i had in my first cilo .. sounded ruff till put in 10-40 . i used 4lt of mobil in a year .. sorted a intravenous drip for car .. but tryed 10-40 and was ok

[nyk]

might have had sommat to do with you only puttin 4 litres in then. Mine takes about 5.5??

Or maybe your tappets were dodgy? Was your first clio a valver or willy?

[mon]

might have had sommat to do with you only puttin 4 litres in then. Mine takes about 5.5??

Or maybe your tappets were dodgy? Was your first clio a valver or willy?


lol

used 4lt no it was a valver i used 0-40 in 5gturbo i had no probs at all and never burned at all but that is down to engine (old push rod) also do not matter if valver or willy still is speced for 10-40 .. valvoline say top oil is 5-40 fully synith .but still think to thin ..

how mutch oil you use on the mobil?

[nyk]

I know the valver/willy is the same specified oil, I was askin cos thought you might have had a RSi or summat but didnt want to offend by sayin that! LOL

Its hard to say how much oil it burns off as it gets changed every 3K or so. But between changes it never drops below the first/second notch below max on the gauge. If that makes any sense.

When using other oils it has dropped to sometimes half (between min and max) between changes.

:lol:

[James_R]

oil temp creeps up to 80 degs on motorway,never been over 100 degs even stuck in jams with the fan in and it doesn't lose anything,
:D

oil wants to be 90-100 deg to be operating correctly, cold oil will cause as much damage as too hot oil.

I've had to duck tape over the oil cooler on the 205 I'm working on at the moment as the oil only gets up to 95deg once you have given it death for more than 5 mins.

[richy]

oh and the engine has only done 25k ish, runs sweet as!

original engine ?

nah lol, its been rebuilt and as said, its a cracking engine!