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I ****ING LOVE EM!!!!!!!!
Pootle around town in em, go hell for leather with em..
Amazing. 8)
yeah....awesome cars.
mine aint a williams, but really loved driving mine at the weekend. power just ready waiting for use whenever you squeeze the right foot. cornering is soo good (even with a fooked f/n/s shock - should be rerurbed by avo soon!). just great fun cars! i miss driving it everyday. :cry:
need to get some pics up soon....its changed a little since last time people saw it....
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Dancliovalver
01-11-2006, 23:38
I cant remember what my clio drives like :cry:
Andyvalver
01-11-2006, 23:54
I cant remember what my clio drives like :cry:
:lol:
Hey Dan, you come into some moner or somethin? I saw you on xbox live the other day :lol:
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Andyvalver
01-11-2006, 23:54
Money, i meant money :roll:
Damn edit button!!! Bring it back :evil:
Dancliovalver
02-11-2006, 00:01
no mate lol, was on silver downloadin shizle, should be gettin gold soon lol 8)
Andyvalver
02-11-2006, 00:06
no mate lol, was on silver downloadin shizle, should be gettin gold soon lol 8)
Ah right, im sure it said you were fighting or somethin on cod2 :wink:
Anyway, Valvers are great not just the willys, ive had a right blast out today 8)
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Bit of a random outburst Daz :lol:
Very rarely get to drive mine properly.
Either stuck in traffic, stuck behind some moron or the car is broken/not working properly, or sometimes I get all three.
But agree, when they go they're fantastic cars to drive (ok, I'm talking abotu a Valver here :D )
Who drives their Williams regularly? Like a couple of time a week. Sounds like a restorer's club here, rather than a driver's club. IMHO, it should be driven like any quick hot hatch. Give it a few more years, when the spare parts run out, then we all become grumpy old restorers. :D
drive it like you stole it !
SQUEAKY CLEAN
02-11-2006, 02:22
I know what your sayin daz,there supreme all rounders.....quick,amazing handleing,good lookers and rare.......i need another :twisted:
Who drives their Williams regularly? Like a couple of time a week
me
i drive it every day
not arsed about puttin miles on it :driving:
mine is all tucked up nice and warm for the winter still with 44000 miles on its storing and restorng is where it is at
I'm hoping to join in on this discussion very shortly - not long now........................... mwuh ha ha :twisted:
Just a quick trip to the North West this weekend ...................
yeah, sweet as cars, mine gets its daily thrash through some nice twistys on my way to work :lol:
Couldn't help it lol - mines awesome even with it pissing water out all over from the rad, taking a 2ltr bottle with me of water on 30 mins journeys!
I never got quite the same feeling in the valver - It was good but you knew they could have made it better - when I first started driving the willy I knew they'd cracked it.
Oh mine gets used everyday I'm able to - be it just a few miles or a few hundred it gets it :twisted:
I cant remember what my clio drives like :cry:
same here! :cry:
lol hopefully mine will pass its MOT tomorro, not used it for 6months! :)
weekends only for me!!!! lol even less in the winter months! ive got a company van so why use my car during the week when i can use the van! :D
Smokey McPot
03-11-2006, 23:33
Mines my daily driver. Soon to be my mums daily driver :s
I also have the joys of all the b roads around Poddington/Harrold/Oakley/Bromham. Natch. 8)
mine is all tucked up nice and warm for the winter still with 44000 miles on its storing and restorng is where it is at
i dont think that by ensuring the mileage remains that low will actually add anything to the value.
when all said and done its only a clio williams not not a Escort Cosworth or alike, so im not sure why some of you do this.
Your the one losing out by not driving it, dont you miss driving it? Or do you prefer the thought of the mileage remaining low and the condition remaining 'mint'.
I haven't done many miles in mine over the past 18 months sheerly because of the fact work is/was a 10mile round trip, but i do drive it several days of the week. (i got that in before Northy said it doesnt move but as he has seen i do have a photograph of it on a different drive way :shock: :wink: )
i dont think that by ensuring the mileage remains that low will actually add anything to the value.
when all said and done its only a clio williams not not a Escort Cosworth or alike, so im not sure why some of you do this.
Yes it will.
When all is said and done, a Series One RS Turbo is still an Escort, but look at the prices of these. And an AE86 is just a Corolla, but you try get a decent one of them for less £5k. And E30 M3s go for more than E36s and in some cases E46 M3s. And what about the Lotus Sunbeam (just a Talbot?) and the Lotus Cortina (just a Cortina?). Classic cars are about more than just a badge or performance levels mate :)
In another ten years time - when all the rest have been run into the ground by people who only think they're only a Clio - a mint, low mileage Williams will be worth a fortune.
I'll just be pleased to say that I once owned one 8)
would have to be mint to be worth the extra tho..unfortunately..theres not many around now....never mind in 10+ years time.
by mint...i mean as it left the reno factory....no new paint/stickers/stereos/seats/doorcards.....no new susp bits/clutches/major eng. work etc.....lets face it a low miler wont need em..shit like that etc etc etc.
as with the guys who pay big money for the escy cossies etc....the mint ones.....these things all point to it not being as mint as it shud be.
by mint...i mean as it left the reno factory....no new paint/stickers/stereos/seats/doorcards.....no new susp bits/clutches/major eng. work etc.....lets face it a low miler wont need em..s**t like that etc etc etc.
That's a load of rubbish mate. And I've seen enough restored MkIII Cortina 2000 Es, MkII Cortina GTs, MkI Escort Mexicos, BMW E9 CSLs, Hillman Imp Rallyes, Opel Omega Evo 500s and plenty of other show cars that would say otherwise as well.
Restored classics (so long as they've been done right) are worth shed loads more than slightly tired originals. In the end, every old car needs restoring :roll:
^^^agreed.
a 25k mile car can actually drive worse and feel more rough than a 90k mile car. imo the f7r engines seem to keep getting better with age (to a certain extent!)
cars (IMO) need to be driven everyday.
when i drove the clio everyday it ran like a dream. all gauges worked etc etc etc.
now i drive it when i get time at the weekends, and for trackdays and 1/4miling, and it dont like it at all. poor start up, gauges are tempremental until it gets warmed up, and the engine defo dont sound as good.
seanofnp
04-11-2006, 14:01
i dont think that by ensuring the mileage remains that low will actually add anything to the value.
when all said and done its only a clio williams not not a Escort Cosworth or alike, so im not sure why some of you do this.
Yes it will.
When all is said and done, a Series One RS Turbo is still an Escort, but look at the prices of these. And an AE86 is just a Corolla, but you try get a decent one of them for less £5k. And E30 M3s go for more than E36s and in some cases E46 M3s. And what about the Lotus Sunbeam (just a Talbot?) and the Lotus Cortina (just a Cortina?). Classic cars are about more than just a badge or performance levels mate :)
In another ten years time - when all the rest have been run into the ground by people who only think they're only a Clio - a mint, low mileage Williams will be worth a fortune.
I'll just be pleased to say that I once owned one 8)
The Lotus Carlton!
God if they wernt so expensive! lol :)
i dont think that by ensuring the mileage remains that low will actually add anything to the value.
when all said and done its only a clio williams not not a Escort Cosworth or alike, so im not sure why some of you do this.
Yes it will.
When all is said and done, a Series One RS Turbo is still an Escort, but look at the prices of these. And an AE86 is just a Corolla, but you try get a decent one of them for less £5k. And E30 M3s go for more than E36s and in some cases E46 M3s. And what about the Lotus Sunbeam (just a Talbot?) and the Lotus Cortina (just a Cortina?). Classic cars are about more than just a badge or performance levels mate :)
In another ten years time - when all the rest have been run into the ground by people who only think they're only a Clio - a mint, low mileage Williams will be worth a fortune.
I'll just be pleased to say that I once owned one 8)
ok, you may have misunderstood my post as it wasnt that detailed;
My point:
low mileage minters go for around a grand to fifteen hundred more than average ones, and if you consider that average ones are anywhere between 1500 and 3000 that puts the very best williams at around £4500 (ok so someone may sell one for 5k but thats a tall order).
what i was saying is by storing it, its not going to add anything, in a few years its not suddenly going to increase in value, its always going to depreciate by some factor. so by storing it continually you arent actually gaining anything apart from resaleability (is that a word?). all your effort of not driving it may increase the residual value by a grand or so (not really that much), and thats todays market (by a proportion less in the future), so in all honesty its not making much difference (hence not adding value comment).
i think you were confusing what i said with price stability. i wasnt saying that storing it, it wont hold its value better, just it wont increase its value.
by mint...i mean as it left the reno factory....no new paint/stickers/stereos/seats/doorcards.....no new susp bits/clutches/major eng. work etc.....lets face it a low miler wont need em..s**t like that etc etc etc.
That's a load of rubbish mate. And I've seen enough restored MkIII Cortina 2000 Es, MkII Cortina GTs, MkI Escort Mexicos, BMW E9 CSLs, Hillman Imp Rallyes, Opel Omega Evo 500s and plenty of other show cars that would say otherwise as well.
Restored classics (so long as they've been done right) are worth shed loads more than slightly tired originals. In the end, every old car needs restoring :roll:
yes there is that..but an untouched.mint low miler will still be worth more than any poss acc damag repaired/restored car...when was the last time u heard of a low mile restored escy coss gin for 15k +??? or even a high miler restored one?
bollocks at some point something is going to brake or a mistimed scratch which needs attention ect ..i would choose a low mileage williams any day of the week
as long as they are genuine renault parts and it is well looked after ...never had any probs with mine
there is no need for me to drive mine i have a van and a zetec s drive the van to work and the fiesta for weekend drivinng
the thing is tho....for it to be worth the big money..it has to be mint.......meaning looking like new without actually having had any work done. any bodywork done will eventually devalue the car. especially if its not done perfect.
the big money escy cossies.mk1-2 scorts etc.....the real big money ones are the original ones that look good....the restored ones that look like new will still be worth more than the untouched ones that are a little rough round the edges, but less than an untouched original.
like i said earlier...wen was the last time u saw a restored escy coss up for 16+ k????
not gunna happen.....why.....cos its been restored. we talkin about cars around the same age as the williams. so only 12 years old ish......
still in the great scheme of things........a 25k car still worth 16k now is not bad in terms of value.......personally i value driving mine more than evaluating what it may be worth in 10 years time.......wont matter to me cos mine will still be mine....i have no intention of selling it ever.........so resale values mean nothing to me tbh.
BristolSam16v
05-11-2006, 18:56
Whats the point thou? U might as well sell it and invest the money, that way ull c far bigger returns...
but then you wouldnt have a Williams? :)
SQUEAKY CLEAN
05-11-2006, 21:52
This is my opinion (and my opinion only) ............if ya wana drive it ,then drive it,if ya wana store it, then store it ...........each to their own ! I can see the attraction from both sides thou. As for values for williams,eventually i can see them going up,but it will always be the most original cars with the most history that command the biggest prices and of those, proper "collecters" will tend to seek out the lower mileage stuff. Also in my view,although they didn't compete in the same class in rallyng as the escort cossies ,williams have the same pedigree,no question.Quick quote from a magazine.............."the williams has been touched with magic and hasn't lost it's appeal"............yeah, theres something in that.
seanofnp
05-11-2006, 22:50
I agree each to their own if he wants to store it, goodluck to him! But i cant see the point in storing a Williams 2 anyway, a one would be the only one i would store!
I agree each to their own if he wants to store it, goodluck to him! But i cant see the point in storing a Williams 2 anyway, a one would be the only one i would store!
In years to come though this ain't gonna matter the 1, 2 3 malarky there'll be so few left its whichever is in the best condition
If I had 2 of them I'd store one of course... but I don't so i use it - it was built to be used so thats what I do
just my pennies worth - they will all rust eventually ! And will need attention. Ive only seen a few lucky ones that seam to have escaped the rust !
Mine needs it now - and im not arsed if its been painted in places or not.
I would rather see a nice tidy car than a original but tatty one.
an untouched.mint low miler will still be worth more than any poss acc damag repaired/restored car...when was the last time u heard of a low mile restored escy coss gin for 15k +??? or even a high miler restored one?
I don't think that's true. People will simply want the cleanest, tidiest and most genuine car. All things being equal, an original car peppered with stone chips and parking dents is not going to be as desirable as one which has had a good respray etc.
Just my opinion, of course, but I speak to quite a few people who restore cars and they obviously have the same one!
so ur saying a reprayed car....will be worth more than 1 thats been looked affter well, and teh paint looks like new, which has had no bodywork done to it at all??
i dont think so personally..i know enough ford collectors to know this isnt the case in the circles they move in either..... who wouldve thought that a mk 2 2dr escy could be worth 7-8k??? spesh when its not even an rs version.......why??? cos the bodywork has never ever been touched, the cars been stored prperly... and is as it left the shopwroom..bog standard.
who wudda thort eh?? and then u get the rarer models...rs .....which have had lots of work...worth maybe 1/2 that amount....y ?? cos they have been restored....
an untouched good cond version will always be worth more than a repaired/repaired version....
Agree to disagree....again :wink:
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what are u exactly disagreeing with????ask any collector....what would they pay the most money for.....not forgetting that with these cars the more original it is the more its worth.....a restored car...or one that looks like its just left the assembly line, without having to have had any work done??
i know for a fact...the original would fetch more money.......as do u.
Andy may as well drive his then, as 44k isn't low enough to say wow at, it's worth about £3-4k tops, so what's the point of owning it not to drive it? it's not even a Willy 1 either... some of you seem to think these are Cossie like classics, but the reality is it's now a cheap hot hatch in the same mould as the 205gti, in that it will only be worth over £1k for a few more years before they all become under £1k car, with the best of the best fetching a couple of grand with 20 odd k on them. It's going to happen as well, these cars will never appreciate again in value, look how far prices have fallen in the past 3 years. When I bought mine £5-7k was the average, now it's £2-3k... 3 more years they are all worth about a grand, so there's little point keeping them to hold on in some vein hope it's going to make you a fortune as you'll spend money stopping the rot and fixing various Reno like faults only to see if become worthless... shame, but imo true, people wont pay good money for them anymore.
ohh touchy subject with you clio peeps!
Although some of us are clever enough to know the facts. TheJesus statement is bang on.
Everyone harks on about mk1/2 escorts. Yeah worth a good bit now (nto that muck 10k is the top end for anoriginal), yet everyone seems to forget the fact they were worth NOTHING really through the 80's and 90's! i remember my uncle used to rally them and when him or someone else smashed them they went got a FREE one from a scrappy or someone and done the same.
For it to appreciate its going to have to stay for a LONG time, in 10 or so years it will be worth a bit more.
Also original cars even stonmchippe da touch rusty but honest cars are worth MOERE than resto jobs.
Cars that have had engioen swaps are worth LESS than an original engined car.
its simpel fact always has been this way!
So why the hell do people bother restoring cars? Perhaps they should all save themselves some cash and drive round in ever-degrading cars.
so ur saying a reprayed car....will be worth more than 1 thats been looked affter well, and teh paint looks like new, which has had no bodywork done to it at all??
BUT how many cars out there still dont need that though jon. Not many (well the ones which are kept outside and driven). Most will be showing signs somewere. And if left untreated will only get worse so what do you do....im sure that to some the mention of touch up sticks on original bodyworked cars will have them walking away lol.
That williams number 0014 went for 8.5k last year which had done 14,000 miles. Totally original. Now that i will agree was worth it. Same with 0001.
But on the other hand there was that williams 3 on 30k. Very low milage and that struggled to sell for 2k. (ok its a 3 and had a history problem but low low mileage)
I dont agree with replacing every component on a car with a restoration - as to me it is no longer that car that which left the production line. But keeping up to bodywork issues is fine.
Unfortunatly mine is suffering from rust and In my case it needs doing. And once done shall see another 10 years. It might not add any to the value but aleast i can enjoy a few rust free panels for a bit.
Restoring cars is a personal thing its not to sell a car on.
Pick up any classic mag and the first thing in many is 'I will never make the money back which I spent on it'
people don't restore cars to make money unless they are in the business of restoring other peoples cars.
peopel restore cars to remind themselves of old girlfriends or the car their dad had, not for profit.
2 Live knows the score.
so ur saying a reprayed car....will be worth more than 1 thats been looked affter well, and teh paint looks like new, which has had no bodywork done to it at all??
BUT how many cars out there still dont need that though jon. Not many (well the ones which are kept outside and driven). Most will be showing signs somewere. And if left untreated will only get worse so what do you do....im sure that to some the mention of touch up sticks on original bodyworked cars will have them walking away lol.
That williams number 0014 went for 8.5k last year which had done 14,000 miles. Totally original. Now that i will agree was worth it. Same with 0001.
But on the other hand there was that williams 3 on 30k. Very low milage and that struggled to sell for 2k. (ok its a 3 and had a history problem but low low mileage)
I dont agree with replacing every component on a car with a restoration - as to me it is no longer that car that which left the production line. But keeping up to bodywork issues is fine.
Unfortunatly mine is suffering from rust and In my case it needs doing. And once done shall see another 10 years. It might not add any to the value but aleast i can enjoy a few rust free panels for a bit.
that was meant for all cars mate..not jus the williams.
agree there are very few out there tht dont show signs of use, stonechips etc, even 0001 has stonechips.....but the fact remains that an untouched car if its in good condition, will always be worth more than a restored one.
the resale value on the williams is **** all....has been for quite a while now.....now...if uv paid top dollar for a low miler to store..fair play, but in years to come, a low miler will be classed as sub 30k miles.......owt above will still be low, but the big money will be in the sub 30s......as it is now, with other collectable motors.
and as like i said earelier.....to me resale value means nowt, apart from wen im lookin to buy another :lol:
the cars i have will probably stay with me till they ready for the scrappers......i prefer to drive em......some ppl dont, which tbh i dont understand......again not aimed at anyone, or any single marquee, cars are to be driven, the enjoyment in em is to drive em, all imo.......so why buy a car and park it up with no intention of driving it??? is very unlikely that the car will give the desired increase in worth in their ownrs lifetime......so wots the point??
For it to appreciate its going to have to stay for a LONG time, in 10 or so years it will be worth a bit more.
I'd agree with that. They're going to go down to silly low values before they come back up. But the time will come when they are genuinely collectable, and when that time comes there won't be any original cars in very good condition left. So the ones worth the money will be the restored ones.Chris H wrote:
Pick up any classic mag and the first thing in many is 'I will never make the money back which I spent on it'
But, generally, the car will still be worth more than before they started on it.
not ness.
theres been cases of cars having had 20-30k spent on restoration, only being valued at 10 or so after it.....
and a lot of cases like that....lol
tr6s...guys spend thousands restoring em, as with mg's, .......stags etc..........and they simply arent worth 1/2 of the restoration cost.
Yeah, I agree with that - you'll never get back what you put in. But what you put in will generally still increase the value, whatever the amount be.
well generally yes Zollo, paying £500 for a knakcered banger, spending 25k restoring it its gonna be worth more than £500 you got it for.
Its not like the 80's when every mofo went out bought ferraris and classics for peanuts wairted 5 years then in some cases made millions in profit! Those days are long gone.
well generally yes Zollo, paying £500 for a knakcered banger, spending 25k restoring it its gonna be worth more than £500 you got it for.
But are you saying that an Escort Mexico that has had £25k spent on it will be worth less than one that's been left original and has chips, knocks, dents and big miles (if there even is still one out there!)? Personally, I know which one I'd prefer!
well generally yes Zollo, paying £500 for a knakcered banger, spending 25k restoring it its gonna be worth more than £500 you got it for.
But are you saying that an Escort Mexico that has had £25k spent on it will be worth less than one that's been left original and has chips, knocks, dents and big miles (if there even is still one out there!)? Personally, I know which one I'd prefer!
I'd question the sanity of anyone that would pay £2.5k for any Escort, let alone a £25k one that's older than I am and is named after a country where men sport dodgy moustache's and wear silly hats
to a true enthusiast propbably! its a strange world.
The thing is most people waste a lot of money on classics and then drive them and realise they are rterible, a new 1.4 corsa will outhandle and pretty much match speed wise an austin healey 3000!
Thats why a lot of newly resto cars are put up for sale soon after completion.
A mexico thats had 25k spant on it may only be worth 10k
I know what your saying but it doesn't work like that
yes there are still some out there lol
had been eyeing one up near me mums....has been stood there for at least 8 years.........mk1..mex....proper one too.
has sadly disappeared last week tho.....would have made a nice resto project .....but then.would probs stand me at less if i just bought it n sold it on...was pretty much original from the bit of lookin over it i did.
exactly Chris, I'd rather waste money making my car go quicker with the intention of doing some serious miles and some serious speeds... but it horses for courses I guess, just that in the case of the Williams it's not even a classic. It's "iconic", but there's a world of difference, as the 205gti is iconic, and similarly worth **** all now as well. In fact my mate bought one about 6-7 years ago for almost 4k, making it about the same age as a Williams wasa couple of years ago... strangely enough when they were worth something... so chances are a few more years they are all under a grand and valvers you can get for pennies... it's a shame, but it's what's going to happen. So it's truely pointless keeping one purely to store and not drive unless it's a special numbered one like say Stromba's or the dude that owns 0001, as a Willy 2 or 3 will never be worth anything now.
would have made a nice resto project .....but then.would probs stand me at less if i just bought it n sold it on
"Would have made a nice resto project"? What's all that about then?! :wink:
I totally agree that it wouldn't have been worth restoring because you won't get the money back. But I still reckon it would have been worth more than when you started!
Like Stew wisely pointed out, cars are made to be driven.
Cars used everyday tend to be reliable. Cars laid up for long periods of time tend to develop faults.
Its like people that buy seat covers, ask them why they do it, to keep them good is the reply.
Keep them good for who? You might as well enjoy them, sure thinking it will help the car sell on, what use is that if its T boned the next day!
would have made a nice resto project .....but then.would probs stand me at less if i just bought it n sold it on
"Would have made a nice resto project"? What's all that about then?! :wink:
I totally agree that it wouldn't have been worth restoring because you won't get the money back. But I still reckon it would have been worth more than when you started!
like i said....the car had been stood for at least 8 years..and in our climate...would need work to get it safe to drive ....resto project....yeah...i wouldnt want to be thrashin round a track in a 20+ year old car held together with wots left of the underseal....would u??
a car thats been stored for 8 years....albeit not dry stored or even looked after.
would probly have been worth more in bits tbh..jus like the williams is now.
throw a 25k restoration at it.plus wot u paid for it...itd be worth a lot less in terms of profit.
get it cheap make a few hundred....and thats a better return.
throw a 25k restoration at it.plus wot u paid for it...itd be worth a lot less in terms of profit.
get it cheap make a few hundred....and thats a better return.
I'm not disagreeing with that! :P
so we come back to the .cars are for driving...;)
u wanna make a profit....dont buy a williams to store lol.
The point has been lost and I'm now confused! :P
I can't predict what values will do, but you're right, it's never gonna be a great investment! However, not putting miles on a car will help to protect its future value, however futile it may seem to some.
Personally, I'm all up for driving rather than storing :)
same here, i didnt buy mine to worry about costs of the thing. I spend what i need and enjoy driving it. Im thankfull i have the race car aswell....best of both worlds.
only way to add value is do a stromba, try and buy every other car and destroy it so yours is the only one left.
[quote="TheJesus"]Andy may as well drive his then, as 44k isn't low enough to say wow at, it's worth about £3-4k tops, so what's the point
well if thats what you say jesus must be true
well tbh I was being kind, it's probably the better end of £2k if we are being realistic. no one is willing to pay money for them... mainly due to people from here looking for quick sales as it seems too convenient to be coincidence that they all lost £2k+ over night.
thing is you plan to keep it so I guess it doesn't really matter either way, keep and enjoy, they wont last forever and most sadly are really showing their age now.
they are old cars with high insurance groups.
Get a new car for pennies that goes faster with free insurance.
Thast the main issue.
Cars are to EASY to buy these days.
yup, exactly, I'll never buy and older car again for that very reason, certainly never buy another Mk1, too old now... I need to save up some money and just buy a Skyline, but knowing me I'll prolly get another Clio to tie me over, most likely a Trophy or even Megane 225...
Smokey McPot
06-11-2006, 14:36
Good read this thread.
I'm gonna miss my williams when it gets stored. :(
yup, exactly, I'll never buy and older car again for that very reason, certainly never buy another Mk1, too old now... I need to save up some money and just buy a Skyline, but knowing me I'll prolly get another Clio to tie me over, most likely a Trophy or even Megane 225...
the 197, everyone slates it now but when its the equiv of 2/3k in 5 years time it'll be the best thign ever!
Most cars, even fancy ones are at most £20 - £50 a week with free insurance for a year, thats in most peoples grasp, even peopel on the dole can afford it!
Skylines are nice, not cheap but nice.
true, but I hate the look of the 197... I'll probably keep this one for a bit now anyway as I dont change cars that much and plan on taking it to 300bhp eventually anyway... besides, it's getting a new engine and bottom end rebuild in the new year anyway, so will have a brand new rebuilt bullet proof engine, so no need to sell or store or any of that ghey shit, it will be used daily 8)
Skylines the car I have to own at some point... would like one now, but will wait til I'm over 30 so insurance is realistic
[quote="TheJesus"]well tbh I was being kind, it's probably the better end of £2k if we are being realistic. no one is willing to pay money for them... mainly due to people from here looking for quick sales as it seems too convenient to be coincidence that they all lost £2k+ over night.
righto jesus you sold yours for that lol
well I'm not sure what I sold it for now, but that's all they are worth. mine had a few more war wounds ie stone chips, but then it was used, so to be expected, but apart from the arch you'd not find a spot of rust on it and it's far quicker, so it's got equal appeal but due to it being more on a performance tip. I'd say it would drive better too as much more of the parts are newer. Fact is you'd not get £3k for a Willy 2 now, no one would be willing to spend that sort of money on them, only have to look on here for what they go for and it's pretty obvious unfortunately. Car's are not investments, one day you may eventually realise like Northy did... seems to be a steep learning curve for you though ;)
Jesus - the voice of the Williams secondhand market.
Forget looking in Parkers, on Autotrader, making your own mind up or actually asking what buyers are willing to pay; you need only ask our online resource for his opinion of what something is worth and you'll have the most accurate and, quite simply, the definitive answer right in front of your eyes!
not really, it's called common sense... some people have it, others preffer to live in a dream world and just kid themselves. that's the price they go for, thats the price they sell for, the ones priced over that? don't sell and end up having daily price drops. yeah, eventually someone may come along and pay a mint for one, but I've only seen one solar eclipse in my life so far as well... :roll:
you lot say you would be willing to pay 'X' amout for a minter, but no one does, most people would rather spend the money on a newer car. Disagree by all means, but most I see now go for 1-3k at best.
most will be priced around 2 - 3k (tatty and high on the mileage) i will agree but there are others that still demand prices what they were 3 years ago.
A person is within there rights to ask any price they want for there car - the fact lies in wether it sells or not to me ?
There is a 55,000miler williams 2 on the trader - same owner since new thats up at £3750 - a bloody bargin if you ask me. That is one i would be getting for sure.
A williams 1 went for £4750 (what i paid for mine in 2003) that in 2003 would of been in the 6k's. Craig is struggling to sell his - bad time of the year or the fact its been modified - its gone from 4k to £2800 ono - unreal. Again thats a bargin for someone.
Prices do drop - but they also fluxuate. he good ones will be worth keeping nice in the future - its like anything.
I think were getting a bit off topic here lads....There are bargins out there as some members have beautiful cars for what they paid - they were very very lucky.
I just want to keep NLRG in the best condition i can and enjoy more days like the last 3 years in it !
that's it though, they are not getting any younger... i think the market has dropped its arse on the Williams now. people can ask what they want for them sure, whether it sells is another story. If I was going to get another (which I deffo wont be) I'd only be willing to pay around £1500 now for one, as I know you can get a bargain one for that sort of money in decent condition for it's age. It's like the Ph1 172, they are worth **** all too and it's 6 years newer, but to most people considered old these days.
Disagree by all means, but most I see now go for 1-3k at best.
Permission to disagree, why thank you!
No need, though, because I agree most now go for £1k-£3k. But then most are pretty rough nowadays, so that's your common sense right there.
I'm not sure exactly what solar eclipses have to do with things, but I've seen a few (and only a few, because there aren't any more than that) very good Willies going for over £3k.
jesus man you wired to the moon
2k your just asking for a row
just go entertain yourself some where else
lol, blow me, that's all I think they are worth, sure, someone might pay a bit more for a low mile minter, but it will take an age to sell unless youre either lucky or it's a 1.
amazing how defensive people can get, lucky I'm thicked skinned on owning a Mk2 :wink:
I think we all know Andy's car is pretty mint and does have very low mileage for the age...it WILL appeal to someone who wants a good example regardless of cost...thrashed and abused willys will go for 1-2k cars like Andy's will fetch a premium 3/4k imo
Its a buyers market out there, and if i was a potential buyer and saw all the forum members who in theory would know the most about there cars, saying there worth peanuts. I wouldnt want to offer much either.
So i wonder why the cars have dropped in value quite alot .
Look on a garage forcort and youll see sierra's for £900 on the forecort so why should clios be alot cheaper.. for example
The good ones will sell for alot more and they do sell.
well I dont own one anymore, so it doesn't bother me, but the damage has already been done with quick sales etc. I didn't ask much for mine at the time either, but it has £8k in recipts for repairs alone and has had a further £1500-2000 spent on mods and has more new parts than any car in this club almost guaranteed... doesn't make an ounce of difference though. Like you say it's a buyers market.
Yeah, but I seem to remember the advert for your car wasn't exactly something to bring buyers kicking and screaming to your door...
"Urgh, I've had enough now. Peice of French shit. Sick of spending money on it now. Keeps going wrong. Money pit. I hate it. Hot hatches don't do anything for me now. I'm off to buy a proper car. Not interested in corners any more. I want something that's good on the motorway. An M3 is the way forward, Clios are crap.
....and then you completely disagree with yourself with your new purchase.
Forgive me if I don't entirely see eye-to-eye with your way of thinking when it comes to cars....buying and selling them particularly.
think your getting my for sale thread and other posts mixed up. I'd put that the box mount went again and I'd had enough... hardly surprising really... but then I don't suppose you have paid anything even close to what I did on mine. My advert was honest, it listed the probs I had which were hardly any in the last year of ownership, that was however the last straw. I wasn't selling it as a working car either, hence the low price, it went for peanuts to save me the hassle of breaking it.
I still think Clio's are crap, they are just cheap and fun, so when one comes along at a price that's more than affordable with £6k in the engine bay it's hard to say no. As for M3's a good one simply doesn't exist, I've looked at loads and none are in the condition you would expect for a £40k new car, you of all people should know this :roll:
Either way facts are facts, Clio's aren't holding their value anymore, special edition or not. A good hybrid is worth as much as a Willy now, in fact you could argue they are worth more, as Gaz' would fetch more than most Williams of same age and condition on here, or is that wrong too professor? :roll:
gaz's will be fetching williams money im sure as its had alot done - more than most williams's on here now. And almost 200BHP!
I can't see anywhere on my previous post where I mention you can get mint M3s. That's quite amazing you can roll your eyes at something I didn't say. Although you can get them, and I've seen them. Just like these solar eclipse like beings that are willing to pay more for a Williams than you think; I've seen them too. Or perhaps I really have been living in a dream world and have imagined the last two years of my life :shock:
And if you post an ad about your car on the forum, your other posts will be looked at too. Also, I could be mistaken (it wouldn't be the first!), but I think you posted two ads for your car, and your first one was even less glowing than the next :wink:
no you didn't, but like you say, this isn't the first time it's been discussed ;)
yeah, some people will pay more, I said most people wont pay a mint for one.
as previously said, I was selling it as spares and repairs, hence the price, hence is being sold within an hour :roll: so it obviously put people off, "broken williams being sold for spare parts" doesn't really need a glowing BS sales add does it? lol
cool!
so we all agree now.
Guys - look after the williams's as much as you can and please tell us what price they sell for ! :lol:
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