View Full Version : No Shortage of Cold Air Now!
Jimmie1.4RT
09-10-2006, 22:15
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/JimmieClio/Air%20Filter/filter4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/JimmieClio/Air%20Filter/filter1.jpg
Fogs are for fags anyway. :P
Can't imagine water will actually get into my engine, will it?
unlikely but be carefull of large puddles to be safe!
im just refitting my fogs hehe!
vts_saxo
09-10-2006, 22:33
Ha ha ha, did it make a difference?
Class! use the winstinct my boy! 8)
rt_blackpool
09-10-2006, 22:51
thats quite cool, but i can imagine that paper filter turning to paper mache after driving in hard rain or u go through a puddle. a foam filter would just absorb the water and eventually find its way into the pipe id have gussed.
boss_1699
09-10-2006, 23:11
did it make any difference to your sound or performance???????????
interesting placement :p
btw, do you have valver wings? just wondering how you get a 16v bumper to fit :D
Jimmie1.4RT
09-10-2006, 23:35
Seems to pick up pretty well now, although how much of that is a psychological thing I'm not sure. :P Think it should have made a difference. :) Sounds just as good!
I think rusty metal guage is the only thing I've got to worry about. :P
Yep, full 16V front end there. Winston's RSi-brid. :wink:
id fit the mesh over it just to help protect it mate - you wont stop any airflow looking at the drivers side mesh.
Whats the point. These engines don't require forsed air induction. Just a constant supply. Bet you it runs worse on the RR!
Whats the point. These engines don't require forsed air induction. Just a constant supply. Bet you it runs worse on the RR!
why? what facts do you state that on?
A constant cold air supply is just what that is.
N/A engines will only suck air supplied to them, there is no way that will "force" air into the inlet manifold.
I spoke to Nick Hill about this a while back, and said that there is no increase in inlet manifold pressure (as much as he had tested 160mph) with a direct air feed such as that. Inlet manifold pressures are always -ve, as they are sucking air into the engine. The MAP sensor will not recognise +ve pressures.
I would very much doubt that will have a -ve effect on power over a normal open induction kit sitting either ontop of the engine (energy engines) or to the side (f7 series engines) where heat soak must be huge.
Im sure stan* or BenR could expand on this better.
The concerns i would have about running a filter down there is :
1)water spray, puddles, rain etc
2)mud, bugs, straw etc etc clogging the filter up
Anyway sorry if that seemed like a rant... :oops:
but it was :D
I agree though, it's hardly forced induction lol
Not the best idea in winter :oops:
To put it into reality. We did a similar thing with the Maxogen on the 172. And with the feed on straight to the fog it ran 3bhp less and 5ft/lb torque! And that was only a feed.
Plus the car simply isn't mapped to account for the increased air!
Interesting.
Im not saying that some IK's will loose the car power and torque. They clearly will. Doesnt the maxogen have a small-ish diameter of cold air feed?
Imo the best solution is a filter in OE box and good cold air feed.
I doubt the car will need to be mapped for an IK. With the increase of air the ECU should adjust fueling accordingly. Therefore it sounds like the maxogen was actually restricting the airflow if anything.
Were both dyno runs done on the same day, back to back under the same conditions?
Im not saying that some IK's will loose the car power and torque. They clearly will.
make up your mind man :rant: :P
wont make a difference to the amount of air but it will be cooler and as such better
Im not saying that some IK's will loose the car power and torque. They clearly will.
make up your mind man :rant: :P
lol
the type of IK mite loose power but the principle wont.
unrealneo
18-10-2006, 17:11
Best solution is to cut a letter box in the front of the bonnet IMO, white TB beast style.
Then you have the shortest distance for the cold air to move before being sucked into the IK....
Jimmie1.4RT
18-10-2006, 17:17
Cheers, didn't know alot of that. :)
Yeah, moving the filter once weather turns bad. Hasn't been driven in the rain for the last 3 weeks, so obviously not having any problems yet.
Currently working on making a intake out of some drainpiping (a T-junction bit) to fit the fog gap and pipe the air up towards the filter.
cliolord
18-10-2006, 18:50
very interesting :lol: To be honest, personally I do not rate the open air filter's just like Ali. All your doing is removing the OE airbox which inturn removes the Inlet silencer in effect creating a loud droan. I want to be seen and not heard ;) These engines don't like hot air and by sticking an open filter just infront of the rad, it will be inducting higher heat levels giving a slight mark down on performance and maybe a flat spot from time to time. I had an open filter on my F7P valver, never again!
But I do like what you've done with it, very unique 8) Made me smile :wink:
Jimmie1.4RT
18-10-2006, 18:54
Hehe, cheers.
'Spose I better point out its a 1.4. :P I like to think its helped but can't prove it.
I never even noticed it was a 1.4...oops! In that case i wouldn't expect a gain or a loss!
Jimmie1.4RT
23-10-2006, 17:22
Bit more winter friendly now!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/JimmieClio/Air%20Filter/reposition4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/JimmieClio/Air%20Filter/reposition3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v672/JimmieClio/Air%20Filter/reposition1.jpg
When you are in lots of spray then engine will struggle, and feel like it bogging down, also when you go through puddles, no good in winter, can't imagien it does the engine much good tbh.
I used to ahgve mine wedged between chassis raila nd subframe and had problems
VIPERONE
29-10-2006, 19:11
Whats the air situation like now?? lol
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