PDA

View Full Version : Lubricating a modded or track car, some advice



oilman
05-06-2006, 16:50
If you are "modding" your car and adding BHP or using it on track then consider your oil choice carefully as the stock manufacturers recommended oil will not give you the protection that your engine requires.

A standard oil will not be thermally stable enough to cope with higher temperatures without "shearing" meaning that the oil will not give the same protection after a couple of thousand miles as it it when it was new.

Let’s start with the fundamentals. An engine is a device for converting fuel into motive power. Car enthusiasts get so deep into the details they lose sight of this!

To get more power, an engine must be modified such that it converts more fuel per minute into power than it did in standard form. To produce 6.6 million foot-pounds per minute of power (ie 200 BHP) a modern engine will burn about 0.5 litres of fuel per minute.(Equivalent to 18mpg at 120mph). So, to increase this output to 300BHP or 9.9 million foot-pounds per minute it must be modified to burn (in theory) 0.75 litres.
However, fuel efficiency often goes out of the window when power is the only consideration, so the true fuel burn will be rather more than 0.75 litres/min.

That’s the fundamental point, here’s the fundamental problem:

Less than 30% of the fuel (assuming it’s petrol) is converted to all those foot-pounds. The rest is thrown away as waste heat. True, most of it goes down the exhaust, but over 10% has to be eliminated from the engine internals, and the first line of defence is the oil.

More power means a bigger heat elimination problem. Every component runs hotter; For instance, piston crowns and rings will be running at 280-300C instead of a more normal 240-260C, so it is essential that the oil films on cylinder walls provide an efficient heat path to the block casting, and finally to the coolant.

Any breakdown or carbonisation of the oil will restrict the heat transfer area, leading to serious overheating.

A modern synthetic lubricant based on true temperature-resistant synthetics is essential for long-term reliability. At 250C+, a mineral or hydrocracked mineral oil, particularly a 5W/X or 10W/X grade, is surprisingly volatile, and an oil film around this temperature will be severely depleted by evaporation loss.

Back in the 1970s the solution was to use a thick oil, typically 20W/50; in the late 1980s even 10W/60 grades were used. But in modern very high RPM engines with efficient high-delivery oil pumps thick oils waste power, and impede heat transfer in some situations.

A light viscosity good synthetic formulated for severe competition use is the logical and intelligent choice for the 21st century.

Cheers
Simon

stevie_b
06-06-2006, 13:17
Cheers Simon.

I bought a job lot of Mobil 1 0W/40 and 15W/50 oil a while back - both of these are good oils I believe but which is best for a track day car? I assume the latter since it says 'for motorsport use' or similar on the tin? 15w should be okay for a Williams engine, I presume - someone once told me that 0w was too 'thin' for it really anyway?

Would you say that oil coolers are particularly important then, to avoid shearing? I bought quite a big (~300mm wide) 19-row one for my Impreza STI but have not fitted it yet and am thinking I might be better off putting it onto my Clio since that is just going to be used on track, which places greater stress on the engine. Can the oil be too cool - would I need to put a thermostat in the circuit somewhere or can I just run it through the cooler all the time? Also I have a small water/oil cooler that plumbs into the car's cooling system that I could perhaps use as well, or is it not going to be doing much compared to the 19-row air to oil cooler so would not be required?

Thanks

Steve

oilman
06-06-2006, 13:44
Hi,

The Mobil 1 15w-50 will be fine for track use.

No need to fit an oil cooler until you know what temps you are hitting, the Mobil 1 15w-50 will run all day at 140degc.

And yes, oil can be too cool, we are talking to many competition cars about removing there oil cooler because the oil is never getting up to temp.

Cheers

Simon.

Anders
06-06-2006, 17:35
Just to ease my thoughts too...

I have just got hold of some Valvoline 10w-60 Racing oil (full synth), never seen this before but I guess they do things differently here..

I am presuming it is OK for the track...but how about road?

Plus, can you mix oil? like just top it up with good ol' 10w-40??

probably really stupid questions but, if you don't ask...you don't find out!!

ta

oilman
06-06-2006, 17:54
Hi,

Yes you can use it, but it is still a tad too thick.

No need to go any thicker then an SAE50.

Can you get a 10w-50 out there?

Cheers

Guy.

Anders
06-06-2006, 18:09
Proabably yeah, but only have the 60 in the racing stuff..

still, I suppose running it on this new stuff is better than tracking it with old crap in there that has been used over the cold winter.

How does the oil stand up after suffering temps of about minus 25?? It didn't freeeze but it was a tad tappety on start up! :wink:

stevie_b
07-06-2006, 10:35
Thanks Simon.

At least there is an oil temp gauge to see that in the Clio, which is more than I got in the supposedly 'High Performance' STI! So, would you say that if the temp is anything up to 140 then just stick with what I have got (no cooler) but if I see it ever going above 140 then install the cooler, or should I ideally be aiming for slightly lower temps than that?

Thanks again

Lunner
07-06-2006, 18:58
For the record silkoline 5W40 is SHITE in valvers, on a sprint down the motorway at 110 i was hitting 140 deg oil temps and 2 bar pressure on full throttle, and similar after only about 3 laps of teh track at FCS

stevie_b
08-06-2006, 23:08
Were the temps lower for the same kind of use when you had different oil in it?

edde
08-06-2006, 23:27
Is there any cheap easy way to install an oil temperatue gauge?
I've changed now to running 10-40 Millers on my car cannot say there any real difference I could say it revs freeer but it always is better on new oil I just want to know when it needs changing at the price I should be changing it half as often to make it effective cost wise.

How do I go about having the oil checked for it picking up dirt etc though and get somoen to interprit the result Ben was saying who does it i think but didn't say what it would tell me. I'm just worried the way my oil looks like its got bis in all the time when i clean it out.

stevie_b
09-06-2006, 10:07
The oil temp gauge is standard on the valvers/Williams, but presume you are not talking about one of those. Install is fairly easy as long as you have somewhere in the oil flow that you can install the temp sensor itself. Think you can get adapter plates that go on the oil filter that then allow you to measure it there.