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clowo16v
17-05-2006, 13:52
Right got my new 1.8 dynoed yesterday and it made 183bhp at 8450rpm with the redline at 9000rpm. Thats on the standard injection aswell so i'm well pleased.

The problem is its not enough. Even with throttle bodies and the car completely stripped it won't be quick enough. My best mate has just sent his T series from his Rover Coupe to be rebuilt to full race spec, has got a T4 turbo and a huge intercooler and is planning on 400bhp.

So, as I come into a bit of money in the summer i'm thinking about doing a VAG 1.8 turbo conversion like Flan. I've got some parts already which could be used, and the main bits I would basically need are the engine/box/driveshafts and the ECU.

Shall I do it?

Matt

Jamie.
17-05-2006, 13:53
i would be over the moon with 183 bhp! your just being greedy

McPikie
17-05-2006, 13:53
get it done indeedy

clowo16v
17-05-2006, 14:01
I am over the moon, but 183bhp even with 750kg isn't enough to beat 400bhp in a 1000kg car.

Jamie.
17-05-2006, 14:03
are u and ur mate very competitive then? i know a family like that, one brother had a valver, the other a VTS, the other a AX Gt and the other a reno 5 GTT. but the lad with the 5 ruined it all by getting an Escort Cossie.

northy
17-05-2006, 14:04
do it and sell me the F7 engine.

clowo16v
17-05-2006, 14:10
Me and my mate are probably the most competetive people with cars you'll meet lol. Only people from school who haven't crashed aswell lol, even though we've always had fast cars and we drive like psychos.

Think the list of cars we've had is:

Me - 1998 1.2 Clio Him - Mk2 Golf 1.3
Me - 106 GTi Him - Stripped & tuned Rover 214 Si
Me - Fester Turbo Him - Stripped & tuned Rover 214 Si
Me - Clio Him - Rover 620ti
Me - Clio Him - Rover Coupe Turbo

Until the Coupe my cars have always been slightly faster I can't let him beat me can I lol.

Matt

northy
17-05-2006, 14:12
why dont u turbo the F7 - swapping engines is cheating :wink:

clowo16v
17-05-2006, 14:26
To get more power than it has at the minute i'd have to fit a high boost conversion, which probably works out more expensive than fitting the TT motor.

I'll see what happens anyway would be fun at the local cruise though hehe.

Matt

Flan
17-05-2006, 14:33
Buy mine for 6k.... :wink: :lol:

clowo16v
17-05-2006, 14:53
I'd rather build one myself lol.

Is yours 5 speed or 6 speed btw?

Matt

Flan
17-05-2006, 15:00
5-Speed. 6 won't fit unless you wanna chop the chassis rail... :wink:

i take it you no a bit about cars then and no a good welder... ;)

j3ned
17-05-2006, 15:14
Think i have started something here

Flan
17-05-2006, 15:21
Think i have started something here

Lol you bad boy..... bad :lol:

stew
17-05-2006, 17:59
what id like to see is a high powered nasp f7r in a clio. none of this cheating putting VAG 1.8 turbos in, or turboing f7r/p engines.

current target is 216bhp from medhi/craigs white clio. someone can easily get this figure up!

all it needs is very lairy cams, ITB's, extensivly reworked head with larger inlet valves, fully lightened and balanced bottom end, and some clever mapping! fair play it will cost a bit, but so does going down the turbo route!

2live perhaps???? :wink:

Lunner
17-05-2006, 18:07
Isn't that what was pretty much done to the white one?

clowo16v
17-05-2006, 18:36
That 1.8 i've built with throttle bodies should be good for over 200bhp. With the head & cams fitted to an all steel 2 litre you'd be at rally spec so probably 230bhp-ish.

I'm definetley considering the VAG turbo route seems like a much cheaper and more reliable way to big power, and the gearboxes can handle it aswell.

I'm well above averagely competent at fabrication work. Built 12 or 13 chassis for my mates cars, 3 cars for myself and helped build probably 20-30 altogether. Got all the right equipment aswell so it shouldn't be too bad.

Matt

bill.
18-05-2006, 08:59
20valve turbo all the way! :twisted:

Flan
18-05-2006, 09:17
clowo16v how old are you.. sounds like fittin a 20V will be a walk in the park for you, i wouldn't mind fitting a 2.3 Ford Durateck on throttle boddies..

All alloy head and block so its light, then tune it to 280na quite easily.now that would kick ass.... anyone no the engine im on about, its the best on the market for the kit cars, found in Mazdas iirc. std engine just on managment is 200. but it depends if you want it for track or dragin...

Flan :wink:

Craig
18-05-2006, 09:45
the 20v turbo lump is a good engine, id be tempted with one for sure if i didnt have mine already. you'll not be anywhere near your screaming 8000+ rev limiter with one tho!

mine is standard bottom end BTW, just head, cams, tbies, ECU :)

northy
18-05-2006, 10:25
at the min though hey craig :wink:

clowo16v
18-05-2006, 11:24
I'm 20 in September lol been building cars since I was 11 tho. The duratecs are great engines I went out in a Locost with a 220bhp one and it was very quick.

How much do the VAG engines weigh by the way?

Not bothered about the rev limiter craig as long as it goes like **** haha. I might keep the 1.8 and put it in something lighter. A small dragster would be cool try and keep the weight below 500kg.

Matt

Flan
19-05-2006, 09:01
i recon the VAG is the same as the williams lump by the time you added turbo, manifold...ect gotta be 120kg at a guess....

If i was 100% honest and did it again i'd use the 2.3 duratec... but then if i did it again the engine wouldn't be in the front :wink:

clowo16v
19-05-2006, 11:16
Could use a Passat gearbox and mount it in the rear with the engine inline.

Matt

downhiller_01
22-05-2006, 02:18
Well whatever happeneds ive got first dibs on the F7 if its for sale, otherwise he doesnt have a business partner for next year lol :D

I love my clio to bits, ive had it for 3 months and its significantly the quickest car ive ever had, but thats the problem.... i already want it quicker! the race with the escort cossy got me fired, it made me realise just how slow my car is in a straight line and what real power is.

I dont want to be going as quick as matt, but i wouldnt mind seeing early 6 seconds to 60... and it looking a little more like this...

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e137/downhiller_01/cliodeepdish.jpg

Either way, a 1.8 turbo conversion would be sweet as matt....DO IT!

Sam

gtbloke
22-05-2006, 07:11
183bhp from f7p??

what have u done to the engine m8?

Zollo
22-05-2006, 08:58
clowo16v how old are you.. sounds like fittin a 20V will be a walk in the park for you, i wouldn't mind fitting a 2.3 Ford Durateck on throttle boddies..

All alloy head and block so its light, then tune it to 280na quite easily.now that would kick ass.... anyone no the engine im on about, its the best on the market for the kit cars, found in Mazdas iirc. std engine just on managment is 200. but it depends if you want it for track or dragin...

Flan :wink:

Aye - they use them in the new Caterham CSR. But they're referrred to as Cosworth engines rather than Duratec! 260bhp :twisted:

2 live
22-05-2006, 09:17
if u want the power, albeit at the expense of extra weight.....twin engine..or v8........unless of course its 4 evryday use... then yeah, id say the vag engine would be a damn sight more reliable...or should be....and also looks to a good conversion on the power front.

hehe


mine will be running bodies after the track day at oulton now, will be mid july ish i reckon....so will be in same spec as is now for fcs . so looks like theres quite a few that will beat me to craigs/mehdis power and times...but thats not a problem lol.

white16valver
22-05-2006, 10:41
Which option gives best power for the money?

and which is most reliable?

Part of the reason I've left the lump alone on mine is that it's been good and hasn't played up at all *touches wood* lol

I would imagine the VAG unit to be most reliable? Just wish I could afford one :(

I'm guessing a VAG conversion would be cheaper than a BB turbo conversion?